Differences in Male
and Female Dom/me and submissives
********** 8/2/98 5:02 PM Begin logging Silken Ties.
~wrywry~ | evening <s>
MoL's Katie J*brb | hugs wry
| hugs NS
| <runs to little subbies' room>
midnight | hello, anyone there?
Limelight | hi
| hi
| pretty dormant place this
| like the people
Pannddora @ | Hugs all
Limelight | hi pandorra
| dd
~G~matter | good evening all <s>
Limelight | hey
White Tiger | hi all!!
Limelight | G
| hi white
Night Spirit | good evening all
Limelight | spirit
~G~matter | Night Spirit.....hello
White Tiger | hi NS
Night Spirit | hiya all :) I am on a new computer with 4.0 so
| forgive me for messing anything
Night Spirit | up--not used to this new fangled windows thingie :)
MoL's Katie J | Good Evening <s>
Master of Leisure | Good evening,,,NS........
~G~matter | hi Katie <s>
Pannddora @ | <s> NS..you'll get the hang of it in no time
Pannddora @ | Hugs Katie and MoL
Master of Leisure | hugggs..pannie
MoL's Katie J | hiya Gmatter :-)
effy | <waves>
MoL's Katie J | hugs, Pann
MoL's Katie J | huggs, effy
Master of Leisure | waves back at effy,,,,thank god this room is air
Master of Leisure | conditioneed
~wrywry~ | <going over to sit by eff>
MoL's Katie J | <kisses my Master's cheek>
effy | <making room>
~G~matter | <giggle> Katie..Master wont be here....but what the
| heck
MoL's Katie J | ok, I have a pitcher of Ice Tea, and lots of
| cookies ... we're ready G<>
~wrywry~ | <looking at ~G~matter>
Aria | hello all
Night Spirit | I hope so, :)
~wrywry~ | hi aria <s>
Pannddora @ | LOL MoL...perhaps we shoudl get Katie a fan for you?
White Tiger | hi aria
Master of Leisure | squeezes her tight..
~G~matter | <looking at wrywry<s>
~wrywry~ | are you someone in disguise? <ggl>
MoL's Katie J | we're glad to have you with us, G :)
MoL's Katie J | Aria .. welcome <hugs>
Master of Leisure | hehehe.......she lights my fire,,,pannie,,,,,,thank
Master of Leisure | god for air conditioning
~G~matter | nnnnooo......dont think so <s>
Pannddora @ | <BG> That's so cute MoL
Master of Leisure | hiyas,,,aria,,,,you made it....hon
~wrywry~ | <smiling at the MoL's>
~wrywry~ | nice to meet you ~G~ <s>
Aria | oh how annoying system tells me that i am speaking
| too quickly <sigh>
MoL's Katie J | Aria, that's a forum glitch ....
~G~matter | nice to meet you too wrywry
Pannddora @ | Aria...leave and come back it, it will clear it...
Master of Leisure | hello...G
~wrywry~ | or is it ~matter?
MoL's Katie J | you might need to leave and come back
Night Spirit | After a few tiny bugs here they were able to get
| Silken Ties totally set up for
Night Spirit | us :)
~G~matter | goodevening Master of Leisure
GrandPaDeSade | Hello all.
~wrywry~ | <clapping for our ops>
Lynn | hello <s> waving
Master of Leisure | call me MoL.......G....everyone else does
effy | <waves to GrPa>
~G~matter | thankyou....i will!
Master of Leisure | Good evening,,GPDS
Lynn | no one told me this was in keychat :((
MoL's Katie J | good evening, Grandpa
~wrywry~ | awh.. sowwy, Lynnie <smooch>
Lynn | evenin, Grandpa <S>
effy | <thinks we need a runner to go to ichat and tell em
| to
effy | come here>
Master of Leisure | chuckling.....somehow you found
Master of Leisure | it,,,,Lynn...hugggs
MoL's Katie J | Lynn, shall I put you on the mailing list?
Lynn | smoochies wry and Kate <S>
~wrywry~ | I'll go.
~wrywry~ | brb
Lynn | I sure did..
GrandPaDeSade | Good evening effy, MOL, Katie, Lynn
Lynn | please Kate.. <S>
Lynn | thanks
Lynn | smoochies MoL, Sir
Night Spirit | welcome all to the Sunday Ties (I just made that
| up) a weekly CO about
Night Spirit | different D/s BDSM subjects--tonight's topic is
| Differences in the
Night Spirit | sexes--differences
Night Spirit | between male and feamle subs and Doms
Night Spirit | female even
~LT~'s dove | Good evening everyone
Lynn | huggs NS <s> smooch
Master of Leisure | evening,,,dove
Night Spirit | or is there a difference? Asub is a sub and a Dom
| is a Dom?
GrandPaDeSade | Oh heck, I thought you had created a new sex NS
~LT~'s dove | hello MoL
Night Spirit | hugs Lynn
~wrywry~ | no one there <plopping back down next to eff>
effy | thanks wrywry <s>
GrandPaDeSade | Hi wry
~wrywry~ | hi GrPa <s>
Night Spirit | so who shall start tonight?
Lynn | you could have asked me.. I was there <s>
Night Spirit | MoL how about you
~wrywry~ | ahhh didn't know Lynnie.
GrandPaDeSade | Lynn meet wrywry
Lynn | s'ok honey
Lynn | <S>
Aria | going to try this one more time
GrandPaDeSade | Meeting the hard way
Night Spirit | do you think there is a difference in how a male or
| female might Dom someone?
Lynn | wrywry is my dear friend Grandpa <S>
Master of Leisure | looks at NS
MoL's Katie J | there you are, Aria!
~wrywry~ | her's my sweetie too, GrPa <s>
GrandPaDeSade | I know, just giving you two a hard time Lynn
Lynn | Big loves Aria <S>
Master of Leisure | well,,NS.......it is a different
| perspective.........
Lynn | ohh <s> duh.. Grandpa <ggl>
Master of Leisure | a Domme may be more mental in control at
Master of Leisure | times......
Master of Leisure | whereas a Dom may be more physical
~G~matter | agreed!
Night Spirit | explain?
effy | i have always wondered, are dommes more (how do I
effy | ask this?) physical mental?
GrandPaDeSade | Note all of those "May"'s though
effy | thanks MoL
Master of Leisure | a Dom may have a tendency to use his
Master of Leisure | hands,,or a crop or a flogger or cat or single tail
Master of Leisure | sooner or to a greater degree with a female
Master of Leisure | sub or slave
MoL's Katie J | NS ... you Domme sometimes .. would you agree with
| that?
Master of Leisure | whereas a Domme may have him/her do more
Master of Leisure | mental task to test their obedience and trust
effy | or *say* they are doing "x" to get the reaction
Night Spirit | MoL you have touched on things I do understand and
| in many ways agree
Lynn | I think Dommes are more forward.. if I may say so
Aria | difference between a man and a woman as in the
| Domination... and I might not
Aria | get another chance to speak with the way things are
| going here
GrandPaDeSade | I do think a domme has more of a tendency to use
| "mind fucks" then a dom does.
Night Spirit | There are things I do Domming women or men I can
| not do to the opposite
Master of Leisure | more mental...GPDS...that is what I mean
Master of Leisure | i do not Dom a man ..so I have no perspective
Master of Leisure | there...
Night Spirit | I love to make a male sub go through the paces,
| where female it is more touch
Night Spirit | orientated
CA§EY | hi every body
MoL's Katie J | what do you mean .. go through the paces?
Night Spirit | MoL at parties do you find this to be the
| same?--observation?
Aria | oh please let this have worked
effy | go thru the paces? i didn't think that this was
| *work*!
Lynn | <hangs on to Aria.. sits on her>
Master of Leisure | ye,,,,NS........
Aria | thanks Lynn
Lynn | yup <S>
Aria | is not that, the system won't let me speak
Aria | but it seems better... now
GrandPaDeSade | Male submissive are more into humiliation then
| female subs from what I have
GrandPaDeSade | seen. That enters the equation too.
Aria | so what did I miss?
Night Spirit | Aria leave and come back hon--it is a bug in the
| system
GrandPaDeSade | Aria, have you tried leaving then coming back?
Aria | I agree with you on that GrandPaDeSade
effy | three times she has
Aria | four times, this one seems to have worked
GrandPaDeSade | Ok, sorr Aria
MoL's Katie J | so far .. that female Dommes are more likely to use
| mental techniques
Night Spirit | :)
~G~matter | so you think that male subbies like punishment for
| punishments sake?
Aria | no, i think that male submissives want/need
| humiliation
Night Spirit | no G matter not so much punishment as willing to do
| certain tasks
Aria | its an imperative part of the makeup of the male
| submissives that I have owned
Aria | myself, and those that I know first hand...
Night Spirit | I think it has to do somewhat with the sterotypes
| of what is a male and female
~Jacqueline~ | <having a seat>
~Jacqueline~ | hello all...<s>
Aria | don't know, i have had both...
Night Spirit | hugs Jacqueline :)
Aria | hello Jacqueline <G>
Lynn | I have a problem.. that I'd like to discuss at some
Lynn | point here tonight
Lynn | hugs jac <S>
~G~matter | hhhmm....most male submissive that i have
| encountered...want to be
~G~matter | punished.....and as a submissive...i do not agree
| with this practice
Night Spirit | well dressing a male as femme is more humilitating
| then dressing a female as
Night Spirit | male
Aria | but I think that you might be right in the societal
| sterotypes Night Spirit
GrandPaDeSade | A general observation. Submisives are often in
| control in their business lives,
GrandPaDeSade | and give it up by submitting.
GrandPaDeSade | The oposit for some doms.
Lynn | <s@ Grandpa> yesss
Night Spirit | G matter I agree I do not like to play punish the
| sub---I like setting a set of
Night Spirit | rules and hope they follow it
Master of Leisure | In general,,,i agree with lyou,,,GPDS......
~G~matter | <<<very much in control in business <s>
110453,1700 | <enters quietly>
Master of Leisure | but I do know Doms that are in total control in
Master of Leisure | their business life and enjoy being the
Master of Leisure | Dominant
Aria | me too MoL
effy | personally, for me, sometimes being punished for
effy | things in the "scene" allows me to put paid to
| things
effy | IRL, and lets me not worry about them anymore :)
Aria | it seems to be more than just that..
Night Spirit | I have noticed that in my observations male subs
| seem more into handling harder
Night Spirit | tasks then a female sub ---females tend to perfer
| touches
GrandPaDeSade | No rule is ever absolute.
~G~matter | harder tasks....define
Night Spirit | MoL do you think that is normal or exception to the
| rule?
Aria | explain that please Night Spirit?
Master of Leisure | i think effy makes a good point,,,,i know
Master of Leisure | submissives who are very dominant in RL and
Master of Leisure | yet will allow their dominant to control them in
Master of Leisure | whatever is desired
Lynn | that is me, Sir.. to a tee
effy | oooh touches <s>
effy | the being open and taken and having hands and
effy | spanks all over your little body, nothing held back
effy | <swoon> --- i agree with that!
effy | <thud!>
Aria | so we will leave those of us who are switchs alone
| for now, eh?
~G~matter | <giggles>
Master of Leisure | well,,,,,NS.....i think female subs enjoy the
Master of Leisure | touches much more than the male
Master of Leisure | submissives that I have seen.......i would agree
Master of Leisure | tht male submissives will do more mumiliating
Master of Leisure | and more punishable tasks......
Night Spirit | well ok I had a male sub here 2 months ago we
| played clamp trivia and I swatted
Night Spirit | well male subs (to me) seem to like cleaning
| floors, being a maid, willing to
Night Spirit | do tasks on 1 foot, I have not met many females
| willing to be a maid
MoL's Katie J | no, Aria, not at all .... you can see things from
| both sides.
~G~matter | oh i see <s> you are right
MoL's Katie J | we are maids in real life all too often .. no
| thrill to be had there. <spit>
Lynn | lol
effy | from my perspective.. aren't all of those things
effy | (whether we want to admit it or not) considered
effy | women's work? and why would women get off on
effy | doing it?
GrandPaDeSade | Right katie
Night Spirit | I agree MoL I see more femme subs enjoy a spanking
| then a kiss or hug, touches
Night Spirit | between swats. Males seem more of what's next
| Ma'am and want harder goals to
Night Spirit | fulfill
Aria | talked to Spartan about that the last time we
| talked...
Jenni | <<sneaking in very quietly......with apologies for
| lateness>
effy | thier ambition and competitive sense, GrPa?
Master of Leisure | hiya,,,jenni,,,,,welcome
Night Spirit | hello Jenni :)
Aria | but my take on my submission,, and this is me
| alone, is that I want hard
Aria | tasks.. things that challenge my heart, my soul, my
| body
Jenni | Hiya MoL
Aria | hello Jenni
Jenni | Hello NS <s>
Jenni | hi Aria
Master of Leisure | men ,,in general,,tend to be more competitive
Master of Leisure | than women and will do harder tasks to
Master of Leisure | accomplish their means
MoL's Katie J | I would prefer tasks I can complete successfully.
Night Spirit | Aria on that note, would you get turned on just
| following tasks, no touch, just
Night Spirit | orders?
MoL's Katie J | some of the time, at least.
Aria | Extreme pain, extremely difficult tasks, demands to
| strive for my standard of
Aria | perfection..
~wrywry~ | I don't agree about the competitive aspect MoL
effy | and want things that they will not be asked to do in
effy | everyday life?
Night Spirit | ah why wry?
effy | like cleaning and dressing - etc... things they find
effy | slightly humiliating, and not mainstream?
Master of Leisure | in what way,,wry,,,,,,i said in general..i know
Master of Leisure | many competitive women too
GrandPaDeSade | I think many women are used to being ignored by
| busy men, they need tender
GrandPaDeSade | touches. To used to attempts to "Use" them.
sexy ali | hi
Jenni | <<agrees with GrandPa
Night Spirit | hello ali :)
Aria | If the task involves my mind, my body gets wet, but
| then I am very very wet
Aria | most of the time anyway...
Master of Leisure | you accomplish your tasks,,,very
Master of Leisure | successfully,,,little one,,,,,<s>
~G~matter | i'd rather be spanked then to be rejected of have
| him disappointed with me
Night Spirit | I know for myself I love him touching, cuddling,
| kissing me and feel it is
Night Spirit | needed, I am not sure if males feel the need as
| much for soft touches during
Night Spirit | play?
josh | hey all!!!
Night Spirit | hello josh
sexy ali | hi
josh | hey night
GrandPaDeSade | rejection is a bigger thing for female subs than
| male I think.
Aria | Some do Night Spirit, but I find that they are more
| into the mental aspect of
Aria | it, and then the harsh humiliatting physical parts
| of it...
Night Spirit | G matter do you like soft touches during play?
Master of Leisure | i think they do feel the need for the touch,,,the
Master of Leisure | cuddle ,,,the kiss,,,,,,but not as much as the
Master of Leisure | need for physical tasks.....
~G~matter | yes....very much
Aria | My male sub, my first male sub, wanted cuddling,,
| kissing, petting all the time
Night Spirit | MoL the cuddle and kissing afterwards or during? as
| a female sub I want it
Night Spirit | crave it during play
MoL's Katie J | Depends on the scene, doesn't it?
Master of Leisure | more so ...for the male sub,,,afterward.....NS......
Aria | but he was also more into humiliation than my
| female one... my female one
Aria | wanted to deal with her pain,, and then be cuddled
| and told she was a good
Aria | girl, that she could orgasm
Night Spirit | then I am odd gal out her--so far <sigh> never had
| a male sub seemed interested
Night Spirit | in a touch
TI's~mystic~ | <slips quietly in>
Night Spirit | yep afterwards very much so
Jenni | hiya mystic <s>
Night Spirit | hiya mystic
TI's~mystic~ | hello Jenni....NS...
TI's~mystic~ | sorry i'm late...please go on
~wrywry~ | don't we always say that each relationship is
| different, NS? <s>
Aria | hello mystic rain dear
Master of Leisure | katie makes a good point,,NS...it does depend
Master of Leisure | on the scene and what the dominant is trying to
Master of Leisure | accomplish in the scene
Night Spirit | wry you betcha :)
Night Spirit | MoL this is very true
Jenni | <<thinks because the rejection factor is huge, in
| my mind, that the kisses and
Jenni | cuddles and touches during the play are absolutely
| critical.
Master of Leisure | and it is,,,wry.....each relationship is
Master of Leisure | unique...and it should be.......
MoL's Katie J | there are scenes where a soft touch would be out of
| place.
Aria | perhaps they had explored that with another
| Dominant NS? and wanted something
Aria | different with you?
Night Spirit | Jenni that is an excellant point
Night Spirit | Aria this is possible :)
Master of Leisure | more for a female....sub,,jenni,,,than a male
Master of Leisure | sub
Jenni | yes
Night Spirit | so we do feel there is some difference in male and
| female subs--how about Doms?
Aria | can I say something here?
effy | will the system let you, Aria? <g>
Night Spirit | yes Aria please do :)
Yvette-(smoky) | hi guys.... how is everybody today!
~G~matter | never had encountered a Domme <s>
Night Spirit | hello yvette
Aria | i feel almost like an alien, tonight, because I do
| not want to be cuddled, to
Aria | be kissed and loved like that... not at all
Jenni | hmmmm
Aria | I am most decidedly female <G> though undecidedly
| submissive <G>
~wrywry~ | do you mean during scenes?
Night Spirit | Aria as all things we all act and have different
| needs
GrandPaDeSade | Aria, if we were predictable, it wouldn't be any
| fun.
Aria | switch still seems to be the best term for me...
~G~matter | i think that maybe a Domme's tongue may be
| sharper.....less forgiving
Master of Leisure | aria,,,,,then what do you prefer...?
Night Spirit | I find when I Domme I am more interested in being
| orginal in tasks and seeing
Night Spirit | if they can accomplish the task
huggybear | ~!@#$%^&*()_
Aria | Strength, mental domination, knowledge taht the
| person is dependable, that they
Aria | will help me continue to face each and every fear
| that I have
Master of Leisure | oone must know thyself ..aria
.Looney Tunes | .....silken ties....................
Night Spirit | Aria after play with a male sub do you enjoy
| touching then?
Night Spirit | hello Loony and huggybear
.Looney Tunes | ...aria pull the hood doit...
Master of Leisure | then,,,you need a strong Dominant to control
Master of Leisure | you...aria
Aria | yes... cuddling them, pulling them into my lap,
| making them feel safe...
M Diver | Hello All
Master of Leisure | both mentally,,physically,,,emotionally and
Master of Leisure | psychologically......not all Dominants can fulfill
Master of Leisure | those rolees
Aria | I want to know that when I fight him or her, that
| they will not accept it, that
Aria | they set a standard that I want to achieve....
Aria | MoL i am well aware of that..
Jenni | I've got a real newby question..........
effy | and keep the standard no matter what
Night Spirit | yes Jenni?
GrandPaDeSade | Yes Jeni
Jenni | I never thought of fighting.........it never enters
| my mind........
Master of Leisure | you set high standards....i respect that
Master of Leisure | immensely
Jenni | I only want to submit.........
Night Spirit | Aria sometimes setting goals and meeting
| them--takes time
Jenni | Is that a problem???????
Aria | yes, the standard must be maintained effy...
| (looking to Jenni with a smile)
Night Spirit | no Jenni never, and hugs sweety
Aria | no dear it is not a problem
~G~matter | are not the Dom and Domme's goals the
| same....complete obedience?
Master of Leisure | not at all..jenni,,,each of us is
| different.......some
Master of Leisure | Doms only want to control .....
effy | sometimes the fighting, Jenni, is just to test and
| make sure that he is still stronger than I
effy | am <s>
Jenni | ahhhhh
Night Spirit | we are lucky to have a great mix, Domme, Switches,
| subs (M and F) amd Doms
GrandPaDeSade | Everyone is different Jenni.
Master of Leisure | that is only one goal...G....there is the matter of
Master of Leisure | trust,,,, respect.honor....
Aria | Jenni... i am so strong seeming,, so capable
| seeming that I need to push
Aria | against that again and again, to know that they are
| boss
.Looney Tunes | .......too many weak ones
GrandPaDeSade | Some enjoy fighting. Others don't.
~G~matter | that all walks hand in hand <s>
Jenni | ok
*~tina~* | I sometimes feel strange in the fact that I am
| *expecting* such high standards
*~tina~* | from Spartan.......
Jenni | thank you.
Aria | no, i don't think that you should tina...
Master of Leisure | that is not strange...tina,,,,,,you should expect
Master of Leisure | high standards
Aria | Was something that I was talking to Lynn about
| earlier
effy | i think that it is great that you have someone who
| is as *connsistant* as he is, tina
*~tina~* | yes.....but it sometimes makes me feel in a
| controlling position MoL......which
*~tina~* | I do not and will be in
~wrywry~ | <<seconds that.
*~tina~* | willnot be in I mean <s>
Night Spirit | tina do you get satisfaction when you reach a goal?
*~tina~* | yes effy....I believe consistancy is a big
| key.....<kisses to you too>
effy | <s>
Master of Leisure | let your Dom set his standards...tina,,,that is not
Master of Leisure | for you to worry about,,,,,,and knowing Spartan,
Master of Leisure | he will establish high standards for himself
Master of Leisure | and for you
*~tina~* | absolutely NS.......my biggest satisfaction within
| our relationship is when
*~tina~* | Spartan is proud of me....for doing whatever it may
| be.....is a wonderful
*~tina~* | feeling
effy | not to mention that Spartan is the ever changing
| high jump goal setter, MoL <s>
Aria | Our gift is so unique, so special, that it should
| be considered such all the
Aria | time. When it is taken for granted, it sullies
| what we give... we have to
Aria | expect the best from them, and them from us, for
| the relationship to stay
Aria | balanced... but we must also strive for that
| perfection ourselves,, even if we
Aria | fall short of it... i think, humbly that is what
| this is all about, as much as
Aria | the tension and the eroticism within the sex
*~tina~* | lol effy
Master of Leisure | and Spartan is highly satisfied with you when
Master of Leisure | you complete your task.......too......tina
MoL's Katie J | well said, Aria
effy | very well spoken, Aria
Master of Leisure | ROFL...that too...effy..
*~tina~* | yes MoL....your right.....but no matter what we
| say......as subbies we are even
*~tina~* | *unconciosly* pushing .....the DOM/Domme
Aria | thank you both.
Aria | strong subs push strong Dom/mes I think tina
Night Spirit | oh Aria I like that
Aria | maintains the balance
Aria | like the yin and the yang
~G~matter | that was nice Aria
*~tina~* | there ya go Aria...maintaining the balance.....can
| be hard
TI's~mystic~ | <s@ Aria>
*~tina~* | though
Master of Leisure | true,,,tina,,,,,but the Dom sets the scene and
Master of Leisure | the tasks for the submissive.........
Aria | yes... it can fall over, or get pushed aside when
| you go 24/7
Master of Leisure | overall,,tho ,,it is a mutual situation......
.Looney Tunes | ....this is not ephemeral!!
.Looney Tunes | ...or however u spell it
Night Spirit | ephemeral? what is that?
*~tina~* | yes MoL......Spartan sets the standards for our
| boundries, I just try to follow
*~tina~* | them purrfectly <wink>
Aria | oh, btw, this is not for general consumption, but i
| trust you all with it...
Aria | Madrigal and I agreed that his collar on my neck is
| not the best situation for
Aria | us at this time, so as much as we love each other,
| we are no longer a partnered
Aria | pair <sigh>
Master of Leisure | greinnin ...slyly,,,,,,as does katie,,,,wink
Jenni | {{{{ Aria }}}}
TI's~mystic~ | huggs Aria <s>
Night Spirit | oh Aria sweety--hugs
Aria | and I do not mean to put a damper on it... we are
| staying married,, staying in
Aria | the relationship of living together, he just does
| not think that he wants to
Aria | own me right now... <g>
Master of Leisure | I dont mind a strong sub,,,,,"pushing"......at
Master of Leisure | times.......i like a feisty sub who enjoys her
Master of Leisure | submissiveness, but has a strong mind to
Master of Leisure | want things and to let her Dom know about
Master of Leisure | them......nothing wrong with that
Jenni | I knew I liked you, MoL ! <g>
Aria | I agree MoL... but thank you mystic, Jenni, Night
| Spirit
TI's~mystic~ | afraid i must leave...<sigh> thank you all
TI's~mystic~ | goodnight
*~tina~* | bye msytic <S>
Jenni | bye mystic.
Master of Leisure | nite,,,,mystic
~G~matter | nite msytic
Night Spirit | Night mystic
Master of Leisure | katie is busy tonite,,,,,chuckling
MoL's Katie J | no shit.
Master of Leisure | smoooooches..sweetie,,,,,,
MoL's Katie J | kisssssssss
*~tina~* | Spartan always tells me MoL......he hopes I can
| always be a strong independant
*~tina~* | woman......outside of our relationship....but
| within.....I am his.......and the
*~tina~* | *independance* does not apply <g>
Night Spirit | MoL do you think woman are more feisty then men (as
| subs)?
MoL's Katie J | define feisty.
~wrywry~ | <laffing and thinking of some of our male subbies>
MoL's Katie J | someone?
Master of Leisure | very similar with katie,,,tina,,,,,,,,,in our
Master of Leisure | relationship...she is mine,,,,,,all
Master of Leisure | mine,,,obedient,,,serving,,loving
Master of Leisure | ,,caring,,,wanting,,,,,,mentally,
Master of Leisure | physically,,emotionally ....I will have it no other
Master of Leisure | way and either will she,,,but in our business life
Master of Leisure | she is a very strong,,,and independent woman
Master of Leisure | who makes quick and wise decisions.......i
Master of Leisure | would have it no other way
Jenni | feisty = attitudinal <g>
effy | i think they wanna think they are <s>
effy | but i think that guys are more likely to be more
| docile to commands for fear of losing the
effy | domme... good dommes are even harder than good
| Dom's to find
huggybear | you know I think he was righti
~G~matter | Master Grey would not have me if i was weak......he
| enjoys a battle of
~G~matter | wit.....he enjoys the callenge
*~tina~* | <smile> MoL.......
*~tina~* | true effy...imo
Aria | A strong show of intelligence, no fear to show will
| and wit... that is what i
Aria | would term fiesty
Jenni | <<agrees with Aria
Master of Leisure | i sure do..NS...male submissives tend to want
Master of Leisure | to be h umiliated and will not "push" their
Master of Leisure | Domme/Dom as ahrd
ElectricBlueyes>M | Sally likes feisty --or she wouldn't have me--she
ElectricBlueyes>M | said it many times
Night Spirit | so is it a battle of wits or is it being a smart
| ass just to get a reaction?
ElectricBlueyes>M | hi all <s>
Jenni | good question.
effy | << smartass <gets me in trouble too>
Night Spirit | hiya EBE
GrandPaDeSade | I like SAM's
Aria | but, I agree, more submissives who are male, are
| likely to be more subdued with
Aria | their Domme...
~G~matter | nono....never a smart ass <s>
MoL's Katie J | I can think of a few times my ass *smarted*
~wrywry~ | that's cheeky, eff <g>
Master of Leisure | shakes,,,EBE
*~tina~* | lol..katie
effy | <laffin> wrywry
ElectricBlueyes>M | well, Aria--I have to disagree with you on
ElectricBlueyes>M | that--<ducking and running away> LOL
Master of Leisure | a smart ass,,,,deserves a damn good
Master of Leisure | spanking,,,,,,chuckling
Aria | I am a smart ass, but then I am what is termed a
| SAM too, often
Master of Leisure | i have a nice paddle for a smart ass.....
~wrywry~ | and probably is loooking for one too, MoL <g>
Aria | and that smart ass, often earns me a smarting ass
Jenni | Because I have a J instead of a j on my
| name.......I have had many male subs
Jenni | approach me..........they have come as
| doormats.......... As a sub, myself, I
Jenni | would never consider approaching as or being a
| doormat.
Aria | Ebe... dear, I do not own you, and if I did, you
| would behave... <eyes
Aria | glinting> at least with me...
Aria | but see MoL I want that when I am a smart ass
Aria | I want to be spanked
Aria | I wanted to be punished...
Night Spirit | ok but do we like a smart assed subbys?
ElectricBlueyes>M | Aria--I behave, no??
*~tina~* | <---hates being punished....for real
~wrywry~ | <laffing> no Ebe
Aria | lostonearth just sent me into the corner to behave
| myself... facing away from
Aria | him
Night Spirit | <--hates disappointing GrandPa--that is a major
| punishment
GrandPaDeSade | NS teases me when she wants to be punished. SAM's
| are easy to read.
Master of Leisure | jenni,,,,,,,notice the little j,,,,,i am not into
Master of Leisure | doormats,,,,,,,,which I consider is a total loss of
Master of Leisure | free will by the submissive or fake
Master of Leisure | submissive.......i want a submissive that is
Master of Leisure | intelligent and social and conversational
effy | scene punishment is one thing, real punishment is
| another entirely
Jenni | yes.
ElectricBlueyes>M | wrywry--be goodgood <s>
MoL's Katie J | there ya go, effy
Aria | Ebe no be good any time soon <g>
Jenni | I agree with you completely, MoL
butterfly | I agree that sometimes my Master is not focused and
| being some what a smart ass
Master of Leisure | good point,,,effy,,,
GrandPaDeSade | If I really punish her, and she knows I am
| disappointed, that's worse than
GrandPaDeSade | anything i could do.
Aria | but you are right effy. scene and real are different
butterfly | redirects his focus where it needs to be at the time
Night Spirit | ok so are women subs more of a SAM then a male subs?
Master of Leisure | your Master should be focussed at al
Master of Leisure | times,,,butterfly,,,,,,
effy | the worst punishment is being ignored... or being
| told seriously that they are
effy | disappointed in you... it hurts me much less to
| suffer a beating than to be head punished.
ElectricBlueyes>M | If Sally REALLY punishes--it is taking herself away
ElectricBlueyes>M | from me--
Aria | in general i would say that women subs, those that
| have been in the scene
Aria | longer tend to be SAM's
*~tina~* | ditto effy......
ElectricBlueyes>M | Yes--exactly effy--that is THE punishment!!
Jenni | or perhaps, are simply strong within themselves,
| Aria?
~wrywry~ | what is SAM again?
effy | smart assed masochist
Master of Leisure | yess,,effy,,,mental pumishment is more severe
Master of Leisure | than physical....knowing that you have
Master of Leisure | dissapointed your Dom/Domme hurts a lot
Master of Leisure | more than a flogging
~G~matter | i please excuse me everyone....it was nice to meet
| all of you.....and please
~G~matter | allow me to introduce my self...i am
| ~Grey~m......submissive to ~Earl
~G~matter | Grey~....goodnight...and thankyou
Aria | no, I think that it is a development... but we can
| get to that too....
~wrywry~ | thanks sweetie
*~tina~* | I feel its actually the opposite aria........least
| for me ....
Aria | tina do you do SAM with Spartan?
Aria | ever?
effy | only all the time, Aria
effy | <laffin>
*~tina~* | no I do not........aria.....
Aria | <g>
Master of Leisure | good nite,,,G......and say hello..to EG
*Spartan* | A good evening to
| all.........................................
Jenni | Good night G <s>
marieM | evening all.. Aria.. i think that each preson is
marieM | different but i think that subs learn that
marieM | being a SAM isn't really submitting for me..
Aria | hello Spartan
marieM | eveing Spartan..
*~tina~* | but there are times when we are just goofing
| around.......and he does allow me
*~tina~* | to be that way a bit
Night Spirit | hugs marie
Jenni | Hello Spartan <s>
Master of Leisure | good evening,,,,Spartan..
*~tina~* | hiya marie <s>
effy | kiss Spartan <s> ((teasing tina)) sowwy honey
Night Spirit | hugs and hot licks Spartan
marieM | hugs back to all
*Spartan* | sorry i am late.......my daughters 12t
| birthday...<s>..........huggs n Shakes
Aria | I kinda have to disagee with you marie.. but then
| we have agreed that I am
Aria | likely to be a law onto myself
Master of Leisure | hello...marie,,,,,<s>
Master of Leisure | huggs..hon
Night Spirit | Spartan and marie do either of you feel there is a
| difference in male or female
Night Spirit | subs or Doms (as in technique)?
marieM | Aria i think it's a personal style more than
marieM | something you have to agree on..
Jenni | <<nods at marie
effy | everyone... it has been wonderful -- please excuse
| me tho -- it is my bedtime ((hugs))
Aria | <shaking her head, but keeping still>
Aria | night effy
Night Spirit | Nighty Night effy sweety
Master of Leisure | nothing better than a Birthday
Master of Leisure | party,,,Spartan.....tell her Happy Birthday for us
*~tina~* | kisses effy<s>
GrandPaDeSade | Night effy
Jenni | nite effy <s>
ElectricBlueyes>M | but a loving Domme can't seem to help but make
ElectricBlueyes>M | physical punishment kinda fun--true punishment
ElectricBlueyes>M | is leaving you --nothing worse
marieM | from personal experience.. and scening
marieM | with male subs.. I think they are coming
marieM | from a different head space yes NS
~wrywry~ | how many male Doms would keep their subbie locked
| up in some contraption with
~wrywry~ | cotton panties underneath for weeks?
Master of Leisure | niters,,,effy,,,,,,you cutie pie,,,hugggs
*~tina~* | Spartan has to log off...his csi is messed up...he
| will brb
Night Spirit | marie please explain :)
Master of Leisure | not many ...wry
marieM | female Dom's if anything i find can be more
marieM | physical.. intimatidating for me
marieM | intimidating
~wrywry~ | <nodding> my point..
butterfly | my csi is also screwing up
Night Spirit | how many subs here perfer to ONLY submit to a male
| or female Dom because are
Night Spirit | scared of the other ?
MoL's Katie J | there is a glitch which states you are *speaking
| too quickly*
Jenni | family is home :-( this has been very
| interesting......thank you! <<huggs>>
Aria | bye Jenni
Master of Leisure | nite,,,,,jenni
Aria | take care
Night Spirit | Night Jenni
GrandPaDeSade | Night jenni
Aria | brb all
Night Spirit | Katie would you be scared to be taken by a Femme
| Dom just because she is female
Night Spirit | and is she scarier?
Aria | need to check on something elsewhere
*~tina~* | I prefer to sub to a male only NS....not a
| Domme.....but not from being scared
*~tina~* | of a Domme.......its a male thing I
| have.......subbing to a man
*~tina~* | only....although Id love to bottom to a feamle <g>
*Spartan* | <hhhmmm a room that doesnt allow more than 1 line
| at a time>....a non-Spartan
*Spartan* | friendly room i see.....lol
GrandPaDeSade | I think the screw ups in the CSi software might be
| caused by the switch to 4.0
Master of Leisure | laffffin.....
MoL's Katie J | I dont' do women, NS ... so would not submit to a
| female Domme.
Master of Leisure | getting ready for one of Spartan's long scrolls
*Spartan* | <---- running 4.0, this is the only place that is
| happening.....
MoL's Katie J | trying to train you, Spartan.
Aria | no, i had to leave and return Spartan three times
| for it to work for me
GrandPaDeSade | Is anyone who is having the problem running 4.0?
*Spartan* | snick...kj
*Spartan* | Ns....
Night Spirit | oh you can't do long lines here it is a tiny bug
marieM | NightSpirit I would find bottoming to a
marieM | female Domme hard since that is
marieM | something that isn't natural for me..
marieM | although i have experience scening with
marieM | one.. but Michael was present.. which is a
marieM | different dynamic altogether
*Spartan* | are u still up for my answer to ur question ?
MoL's Katie J | I have had the problem here in many rooms ... and
| run version 3
ElectricBlueyes>M | scared of the other NS??? that's not it for
| me--just
ElectricBlueyes>M | prefer women--and agree--Dommes outwardly
ElectricBlueyes>M | display toughness more--think cause they feel, as
ElectricBlueyes>M | females they have to
Night Spirit | yes Spartan
butterfly | i am hardly speaking how can they say i am speaking
| to quickly
MoL's Katie J | yes, Spartan, of course we are.
*Spartan* | one of the only differences I have found between
| male and female Dominants
*Spartan* | is.......
*~tina~* | think you may have a point there EBE
Night Spirit | butterfly it is a bug in the system hon, it has a
| hard time with long lines
Night Spirit | yes Spartan?
ElectricBlueyes>M | butterfly--it happened to me throughout last week
ElectricBlueyes>M | LOL
*Spartan* | is that female Dominants to *me* seem much more
| *cruel* to their subs.......
~wrywry~ | I totally agree, Spartan..
*Spartan* | and as far as m or f subs.....
~wrywry~ | what little real experience that I have was with a
| good male subbie friend and
~wrywry~ | I was appalled.
marieM | Spartan Michael agress about the female Dom's
marieM | althought he says they are fun to watch
Night Spirit | EBE do you agree Femme Domme as crueler then Male
| Doms?
Master of Leisure | you say "cruel"..Spartan,,,,,do you mean
Master of Leisure | mentally or physically ???
Master of Leisure | or both
ElectricBlueyes>M | that;s only in front of others, Spartan--I don't
ElectricBlueyes>M | know--they like to put their power on display --in
ElectricBlueyes>M | private, that is not the case
*~tina~* | I think both MoL......but thats not to say they can
| not be very loving as well
*Spartan* | male subs to me...seem to not have or rather imo
| *display* as high a level of
*Spartan* | self esteem or respect, and can be much
| *cattier*....
*Spartan* | MoL...both, but more towards the physical.....
butterfly | would "cruel" depend on the relationship you have
| established and agreed upon
ElectricBlueyes>M | cattier" Spartan---LOLOLOL
Pannddora @ | I agree with you Spartan and tina...from what I
| have seen, the Dommes do seem
Pannddora @ | to be much more brutal physically and
| condescending. However, male submissives
Pannddora @ | do seem to enjoy the humiliation factore more as
| well.
ElectricBlueyes>M | purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Master of Leisure | the ones that I have seen tina,,,,are very "cruel":
Master of Leisure | ..more mentally than physically,,,,,,and theydid
Master of Leisure | show their caring and love for their male
Master of Leisure | submissive....
*Spartan* | could be butterfly, but in the examples i site, no,
| they were just f**kin mean
*Spartan* | n nasty.........
~wrywry~ | <nodding>
Master of Leisure | lafffin,,,,that I agree with ,,,spartan
*Spartan* | <s>
Night Spirit | ok so we are in agreement then there really is a
| difference between female and
Night Spirit | male Doms and female and male subs
*Spartan* | <wow, less than 47 lines of text and i *can* get my
| poit across...hhhmmmm>
~wrywry~ | <laffing>
Pannddora @ | <s> Spartan, we knew you had it in you
Master of Leisure | chuckling....see,,,it can be done,,,
marieM | Spartan.. wincin doesn't seem to have that problem..
marieM | in this room
*~tina~* | lol
butterfly | then wouldn't being "cruel"interfere with moving
| forward in your relationship
*Spartan* | :::::blush:::::::::
marieM | oooooooowwwwwwww
ElectricBlueyes>M | everybody here knows Sally, I think, yes? She is
ElectricBlueyes>M | often nasty in the D/s room--it is not the Sally I
ElectricBlueyes>M | know in private--it is a public display
*Spartan* | EbE...i have not seen that in
*Spartan* | Sally
*Spartan* | at any time
marieM | EBE.. i think that even if that is true.. it's
| still an
marieM | element of they basis of the connection
Night Spirit | ok all any last words?
Master of Leisure | Sally,,,nasty,,,,,,not that I have seen......
ElectricBlueyes>M | good , spartan--you don't want to!
marieM | frankly our public play is not that different other
| than
marieM | the open seuxal play form privat
*Spartan* | i am talkin real hard ass, *gotta prove something
| attitudes*......
MoL's Katie J | Remember, we can always continue discussion on the
| message boards here :)
.Looney Tunes | ..hello nice people
marieM | NS can i ask a question on protocal please?
Night Spirit | yes marie
MoL's Katie J | hello, LT
GrandPaDeSade | Go ahead Marie
Master of Leisure | nothing like a good attitude adjustment.....i
Master of Leisure | always say,,,Looney
~wrywry~ | keep up the good work, ops <s> what's the topic for
| next week?
josh | hey all
ElectricBlueyes>M | ohhh--hmmmm--there are so few REAL Dommes
ElectricBlueyes>M | around--I don't see many at all
marieM | is spanking for mis-spelling allowed during this
marieM | CO?
~wrywry~ | <ggl>
Master of Leisure | of course...marie,,,,wink
Night Spirit | only by Michael
GrandPaDeSade | We'd all be in trouble marie
Master of Leisure | chuckling
Night Spirit | Next week it is "Discover/define what is
| Humiliation and how is it used in the
Night Spirit | lifestyle. Do subs really like it?"
*Spartan* | well....see u all in a bit, we have to
| run....grabbin tina by the hair, twirlin
*Spartan* | her around onto her ass n draggin her away
| ......<g>.........
~wrywry~ | kewl!!!
ElectricBlueyes>M | LOL--Spartan--the gentle male Dom!!!
Master of Leisure | nice touch,,,,Spartan,,,,,take care......hugggggs
Master of Leisure | tina,,,,,,,,soooch
Master of Leisure | smooch
~wrywry~ | something that I really don't understand <g>
*~tina~* | <smiling real big>...byeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Night Spirit | thank you all for comming
GrandPaDeSade | Bye Spartin
Pannddora @ | Byebye All
marieM | night thanks for the CO..but.. NS i need to talk to
| you
marieM | about the rules of order.. even though Michael
marieM | agrees
MoL's Katie J | Thank you all .. it was a good conference <s>
Night Spirit | <ggl>
GrandPaDeSade | Bye pann
butterfly | bye all
Master of Leisure | bye,,plannite,,hugggs
Master of Leisure | thanks,,NS...GPDS...and my lovely katie,,,,,,
marieM | night all
Night Spirit | thanks again all for comming and remember to use
| our message boards and library
GrandPaDeSade | Night MOL, Katie
~wrywry~ | night <s>
GrandPaDeSade | night wry
MoL's Katie J | Good night Grandpa and NS :-)
Aria | back <g>
Aria | did you alll stop talking?
Master of Leisure | attaching the snap of the leash to her
Master of Leisure | collar.....and dragging her off ...back to 10
ElectricBlueyes>M | this reminding me of The Waltons--nite Kate Bob
ElectricBlueyes>M | LOL
MoL's Katie J | yes, Aria, we just concluded :(
GrandPaDeSade | Remember, the success of thei forum will be judged
| on the use of the message
GrandPaDeSade | areas and lib.
Aria | wahhhh <G>
Aria | thats okay
MoL's Katie J | next week, same time, same place
MoL's Katie J | Humilation is the topic
Aria | 8 eastern?
GrandPaDeSade | Correct
Aria | Thank you GPDS... 5 Pacific for you and NS... tough
| time on sunday....
Night Spirit | yep with Kids and work and exs to see and grandkids
| hard for us to schedule it
Aria | don't i know it <g>
Night Spirit | :)
Night Spirit | Night all :)
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