Humiliation
********** 8/9/98 4:58 PM Begin logging Silken Ties.
Lynn | huggs NS <s>
effy | no, just pissed off that I was *dismissed* when
| trying to
effy | discuss something
Aria | Hello Night Spirit
cmh | evening all <S>
effy | hugs NS
Lynn | in the room, effy?
Lynn | hi cmh
effy | yes -- earlier
Lynn | by whom?
Aria | effy who dismissed you?
effy | mostly everyone.
Aria | hello Katie
effy | pointedly by one or two
MoL's Katie J | hugggggs to all
Lynn | huggggs Kate <s> smoochies
effy | hugs Katie
MoL's Katie J | effy, someone dissed you?
effy | <shutting up>
Aria | I am so sorry that I wasn't there to help support
| you
MoL's Katie J | I'll smack 'em
MoL's Katie J | hugggggs and smooches, Lynn
Aria | oh please, don't shut up
Lynn | effy..ignor it.. you know.. assholes.. everyone has
Lynn | one.. <s> oops.. <ducks>
Aria | hello meg
effy | it's just that i have a reputation for never being
| serious...
effy | so I was dismissed
effy | fluffhead effy
Aria | effy you do not have a reputation for nevering
| being serious
MoL's Katie J | effy .. they have only the importance you give them.
Lynn | you know.. I never heard that before effy..
Aria | where do you get this?
meg | hi Aria.... and all
Night Spirit | <--waves to crowd will BRB
Aria | hello cmh
Lynn | hugs meggie.. YOU MADE IT!
Aria | hello Ebe
Lynn | <vbg>
MoL's Katie J | welcome meg, good to see you!
effy | i am just mad I guess... got my buttons pushed.
Lynn | huggs EBE
meg | <propping eyelidds open> yep
ElectricBlueyes>M | Hi Aria
MoL's Katie J | I still have some Domme left from the full moon ..
| so let me at 'em <G>
Lynn | lol
Lord Excalibur | good evening all
zen | hugs and shakes
ElectricBlueyes>M | Huggs Lynn!!
Lynn | LOL Katie
MoL's Katie J | welcome, Ebe
MoL's Katie J | hiya zen
Lynn | hi zen
Lynn | zen???
Aria | hello Zen
Zen Whacking Stick | yeh its me
ElectricBlueyes>M | Thanks Kate--how are ya, hon?? <s>
Lynn | huggs Sir <s>
MoL's Katie J | there we go ... Capital Z Zen
Lord Excalibur | brb
Aria | hello Lord Excalibur
MoL's Katie J | doing well, thanks Ebe
Lynn | were you feeling kinda low, Sir<covers mouth
Lynn | giggling>
Aria | <leg bouncing>
Lynn | hello LE <s>
Zen Whacking Stick | hello aria...lynn.katie
Zen Whacking Stick | yeh
effy | <going to sit in the big wingback>
Zen Whacking Stick | re's effy
Lynn | <big hugs for Zen>
MoL's Katie J | This is our grope feely good greeting time :-)
Aria | <hoping that she gets through this conference>
Zen Whacking Stick | smiles......thanks lynn
effy | <waves to Zen>
!!~Earl Grey~ | <~~~~~Enters the room with a bow, passes a Rose
!!~Earl Grey~ | ~<~<~{@ to each of the ladies and a beer <~~~~c{_}
| to all
!!~Earl Grey~ | the guys.........
Aria | hello Earl Grey
Lynn | sure thing, you're one of my favorite people Zen
ElectricBlueyes>M | OUCH, effy! get off my wingback! <s>
MoL's Katie J | Welcome, Earl Grey
Lynn | huggs EG <s>
marieM | saying hello again<S> with the right nick<S>
StrongHeart | Hello everyone
Zen Whacking Stick | brb
!!~Earl Grey~ | Hugggggsgss<s>
Aria | Hello Strong Heart Sir
MoL's Katie J | welcome, Strongheart <S>
Lynn | and thank you for the rose.. <S>
Aria | hello marieM
MoL's Katie J | hugggs, marieM
effy | <bites Ebe> not tonight honey, it's *mine* <sweetest
effy | deadly smile>
Lynn | huggs My own Sir <s> smooch
Aria | no roses please <g>
Night Spirit | hugs Earl you sexy cup of tea
Lynn | <moves over>
StrongHeart | Hello Aria, KJ, and Lynn <s>
MoL's Katie J | <man o man, effy sounds serious to me>
!!~Earl Grey~ | ROFL! NS!!!!!!!! Long time no see!!
Lord Excalibur | right back now, hello all
MoL's Katie J | good to see you, Lord Ex
StrongHeart | <settles into the seat..getting comfy>
Lord Excalibur | hi Katie
Lynn | <smiles and leans against him...listening>
Aria | hello Femme
Lord Excalibur | it might be a bit short in here for a while on e of
| the US server has gone down
Aria | don't think that I know you
MoL's Katie J | welcome, Femme :)
!!~Earl Grey~ | Aria...............sorry, my dear.......for
| you....... ~<~<~
Femme | Thank you Mol
ElectricBlueyes>M | I have a friend with me--this is her first
ElectricBlueyes>M | time here--hope she will be
ElectricBlueyes>M | welcome--her name is Brandy
MoL's Katie J | Tonight's conference is on Humilation
!!~Earl Grey~ | <psst.......Its katie, Femme>
marieM | welcome Brandy
Femme | okay Katie
effy | welcome Brandy
Night Spirit | Earl I do love a hot man <s>
MoL's Katie J | oh, I answer to almost anything <G>
Aria | thanks Earl Grey, I will take the thorns, perhaps
| tomorrow I will feel more
Aria | like using them <G>
Femme | I'll keep it between you and me Katie.
Lynn | big hugs marie <s>
~wrywry~ | evening everyone <s>
!!~Earl Grey~ | LOL, NS..............How you keeping?
Brandy | hi
MoL's Katie J | thanks, Femme <w>
MoL's Katie J | huggggs, wrywrywry
MoL's Katie J | welcome, G
marieM | <s> thanks Lynn
!!~Earl Grey~ | Fair enough, aria<smiles>
MoL's Katie J | hugggggs, nikki
ElectricBlueyes>M | <dragging her through door> LOL
Leda | Hiyas, everyone.
Night Spirit | Earl I be keeping well but tired
MoL's Katie J | huggggggggs, Leda
~nikki~ | Hiya everyone! <smiling and waving>
Aria | hello there... G~~matter
Lynn | hi Leda
~G~m | goodevening
Aria | hello nikki
~wrywry~ | dumb question.. where do I have messages waiting?
Aria | hello Leda
Brandy | thankyou effy
Zen Whacking Stick | <-back.....hellos to all i missed
marieM | hello nikki
MoL's Katie J | on the message board, wry
Lynn | Hi nik <S>
~nikki~ | In *welcome* wry
Lynn | Hi wry <s>
StrongHeart | Hello Leda, nikki...welcome Brandy
MoL's Katie J | we've been notching your stick for you, Zen
Lynn | huggs to all I missed
Aria | hello wrywry
ElectricBlueyes>M | <hugs > Brandy <s>
!!~Earl Grey~ | <Grabs ~G~m and pullls her closer>
Zen Whacking Stick | thanks katie <s>
Night Spirit | One quick announcement if you are not on my
| maillist for the Sept folsom party
Night Spirit | and are interested check out the website
| http://www.hypnoinfo.com/folsomparty
~nikki~ | (hugs to all) <---- to save time
!!~Earl Grey~ | <smiles at her softly><kiss>
StrongHeart | hiya wry
Brandy | <hugs elect >
~G~m | <giggle> thankyou
!!~Earl Grey~ | (((((nikki))))))))
marieM | thanks NS.. <S>
Aria | hello Brandy
~wrywry~ | <laffing> that's pretty kewl..
Lord Excalibur | oh Ns part two of your mail is corrupted can't open
| it
Femme | Where is the folsom party Night?
Brandy | hello Aria
Zen Whacking Stick | <sits down, waits>
!!~Earl Grey~ | Shakes, Zen
Night Spirit | the folsom st party is in San Francisco, sorry
| about the poster for a copy go
Night Spirit | http://www.folsomstreetfair.com
MoL's Katie J | welcome, Brandy
Brandy | <winks at EBE>
Zen Whacking Stick | re's Earl
GrandPaDeSade | Hello all
Brandy | thankyou Mols
Femme | Okay night
~nikki~ (busy) | <s> @Leda and wry Good idea.........LOL
Zen Whacking Stick | greets Grandpa and NS
Lord Excalibur | hi GPDS
Lynn | hugs Grandpa <s>
!!~Earl Grey~ | Bloody hell.............GrP!!! Shakes!
Aria (busy) | greetings GrandPa De Sade
Night Spirit | ok any more announcements?
MoL's Katie J | hugs, Grandpa
~nikki~ (busy) | Tiggs and jaime are coming in a sec, I think
Aria (busy) | Just one please
!!~Earl Grey~ | :-x
Night Spirit | ok Aria
!!~Earl Grey~ | ooops<s>?
MoL's Katie J | Next week marie will host the first Subbie CO ..
| tues day night at 10:30 p edt
MoL's Katie J | go ahead, Aria
GrandPaDeSade | Zen, it's been awhile. Hi there LE, Lynn. Earl
| Grey, Katie, and Aris
~wrywry~ | oh, that's a good time <s> thanks
GrandPaDeSade | Aria even. Sorry
Aria (busy) | would all of you please take a moment to look at
| the file that is in the
Aria (busy) | library, entitled survey.txt and give me some
| feedback on questions that I
Aria (busy) | wrote?
Night Spirit | alright marie :)
MoL's Katie J | will do, Aria
!!~Earl Grey~ | <Running my fingers through ~G~m's hair
| idly.............>
~wrywry~ | sure thing, Aria <s>
~nikki~ (busy) | will do too, Aria <s>
Aria (busy) | thanks <G>
Master Discoverer | hi all
Lord Excalibur | will do Aria
Zen Whacking Stick | will do aria
Aria (busy) | hello Master Discoverer
~nikki~ (busy) | HUgs Tiggs & jaime
miracle discovered | hugggs <S>
MoL's Katie J | Ok .. 1 more minute for greets and gropes .. then
| we'll roll on with our
MoL's Katie J | Humiliation <G>
Lynn | huggs from Rover, MT and Jaime
Master Discoverer | hugsssssss nikki
miracle discovered | <giggle> Lynn
MoL's Katie J | good to see you, MT and jaime
~wrybrat~ | lol Lynnie
GrandPaDeSade | Well, I guess that survey doesn't apply to me, (for
| several reasons).
~nikki~ (busy) | Go for it, Katie <s>
Lynn | hehehe
Aria (busy) | hello miracle
ElectricBlueyes>M | ok then--<hugs> jaime!!! LTNS--Hugs>
ElectricBlueyes>M | Nik!!
Dickie® | Hi everyone <winks at ~g~m>
MoL's Katie J | hiya Dickie :-)
Zen Whacking Stick | let's do this humilation thing !!!! <chuckle>
miracle discovered | hello Aria, thanks Katie
~G~m | ~~~ hi dickie
!!~Earl Grey~ | Hi dickie
MoL's Katie J | NS, sis, you ready to start?
Aria (busy) | no actually i would like feedback from everyone
| GrandPaDeSade
Brandy | hugs everyone....
MoL's Katie J | welcome rose <s>
GrandPaDeSade | OK, then I will Aria
Night Spirit | yes Ma'am
effy | whuffer, Aria? are you doing your dissertation on
| it?
Master Discoverer | what questionaire ?????//
rose | hi
!!~Earl Grey~ | hello rose
~G~m | <looking around.....distracted>
ElectricBlueyes>M | rose!!!!!!!!!11 :-) <huge hugs>
Brandy | hi rose
Aria (busy) | effy, I want to write a book.. but we can talk
| about it later <G> okay?
Aria (busy) | hello rose
effy (busy) | k
Aria (busy) | <shutting up>
Brandy | lol Aria
!!~Earl Grey~ | <looks down at ~G~m........By anything in
| particular?>
~wrybrat~ | <waiting patiently>
GrandPaDeSade | Master Discovery Survey.txt in the lib here
~nikki~ (busy) | <waiting>
Night Spirit | ok all if you want to post any messages do so in
| silken ties, and post anything
Night Spirit | you want (within reason) in the library
~G~m | no Master....words for later
Dickie® | <sitting at the back of the room , just watching>
MoL's Katie J | Welcome to our D/s conference .. tonight's topic,
| Humiliation
Night Spirit | now about humilation besides I can't spell it
!!~Earl Grey~ | <Smiles at ~G~m softly......>
MoL's Katie J | speeling doesn't cunt.
tweey | hi
MoL's Katie J | errr... count.
Lynn <busy> | LOL
Aria (busy) | <grinning>
GrandPaDeSade | But you sure can take it NS
~nikki~ (busy) | LMAO Katie
~wrybrat~ | <snicker>
!!~Earl Grey~ | ROFL, katie
~wrybrat~ | I have a suggestion for a rule?
Night Spirit | Katie <eyes wide>
tweey | dickie
Zen Whacking Stick | bbl
Leda (busy) | A rule, wry? <perk>
!!~Earl Grey~ | later, Zen
GrandPaDeSade | And I've seen you dish it out to others NS
~nikki~ (busy) | Me too, wry <sigh> No cyber-play during CO?
~wrybrat~ | yes... I think that we need to start promptly..
tweey | @>->-----for u dickie
~wrybrat~ | that if we are going to hug and hello we should
| come a bit earlyt for that.
~wrybrat~ | -t
Night Spirit | good idea wry
Aria (busy) | start promptly, and hellos and goodbyes to outside
| of the channel during
Aria (busy) | conference time....
Leda (busy) | Yeah, or in sends.
Night Spirit | now if I may begin
~wrybrat~ | can we take a vote, Katie?
~nikki~ (busy) | ^5's wry & Aria.....
MoL's Katie J | I do greet everyone who comes in privately
!!~Earl Grey~ | <Whispers to ~G~m.......>.......I think you have
| met some
!!~Earl Grey~ | of these people in chat3<smiles>
GrandPaDeSade | I think most would be for it wry
~wrybrat~ | then are we agreeed?
Night Spirit | how do you all feel about humiliation
MoL's Katie J | agreed
~nikki~ (busy) | yes
Night Spirit | we are wry :)
Lord Excalibur | agreed
~wrybrat~ | good <s>
~wrybrat~ | let the games begin! <g>
Krystelle | hello everyone
~nikki~ (busy) | I think it depends on the context of humiliation,
| Katie........
GrandPaDeSade | OK< who has something to say on the subject?
Aria (busy) | I think the same thing...
Lynn <busy> | what kind of humiliation, Katie?
Lynn <busy> | Not really crazy about verbal humiliation
Aria (busy) | I have a great deal to say (what a surprise) but I
| think there are two kinds of
Aria (busy) | humiliation that we can talk about...
effy (busy) | is it just for the meanness of it -- or as
| training? or just cuz you happen to like
effy (busy) | it?
~wrybrat~ | some aspects of humiliation frighten me..
GrandPaDeSade | All kinds
!!~Earl Grey~ | <Listening to the differing views........>
GrandPaDeSade | Different prople like different kinds
Aria (busy) | I think there is the humiliation within a scene
MoL's Katie J | 2 kinds as in public and private?
Zen Whacking Stick | humilation comes in various forms....as a type of
| training to remind the
Zen Whacking Stick | slave/sub of her/his place
GrandPaDeSade | Some like to get it effy
Aria (busy) | and then there is the humiliation within public view
savage immmortal | hello all big hello from new york
Lord Excalibur | exactly GPDS and differant people see humiliatio in
| differant ways
~nikki~ (busy) | Objectification humiliation? Verbal humiliation?
| Many things a sub may feel
~nikki~ (busy) | humiliating may not be claseed within the broad
| spectrum of D/s as a
~nikki~ (busy) | "humiliation scene"
Night Spirit | humiliation-playful embarrassment or humbling a
| person by teasing them about
Night Spirit | their sexual desires can be part of erotic control
Zen Whacking Stick | but also as a scene.....one that is more of a
| mutual turn on i think
Leda (busy) | Good point, nikki--it's a very subjective thing.
Night Spirit | the quote I did was from Screw the Roses
Aria (busy) | yes but are we talking about public or private?
Aria (busy) | because that matters to me
~wrybrat~ | just got that one, MS, love it <s>
Night Spirit | let's cover public first
~wrybrat~ | er.. N
~nikki~ (busy) | Noted, NS Okay......it gets *me* hot.
JUE-BABY | hi yall
Zen Whacking Stick | there are things that humilate and things that are
| supposed to humilate but
Zen Whacking Stick | dont but are used because they are *forbidden* so
| to speak
Night Spirit | nikki how and why?
tweey | HI
Night Spirit | Zen please explain :)
Aria (busy) | Okay... I HATE public humiliation, no matter what
| kind of humilation it is, but
Aria (busy) | some things that might be considered humiliating to
| others, i find a turn on...
~nikki~ (busy) | Just the act of "who may see"....."what may happen
| next"
David Arbogast | can i turn you on aria
Zen Whacking Stick | well........calling your slave a bitch or a whore
| may not actually humilate her
Zen Whacking Stick | it might turn her on
Night Spirit | ok Aria examples
effy (busy) | and me <small voice> I hate verbal humiliation, but
| some other forms... well...
David Arbogast | try me aria
!!~Earl Grey~ | I have to saty that I am still unclear in respect
| of an agreed
!!~Earl Grey~ | definition of humiliation.......Is it possible to
| actaully
!!~Earl Grey~ | AGREE a definition?
GrandPaDeSade | Zen, they may be turned on BY being humiliated
Aria (busy) | <laughing> well Zen starts... but say touching me
| in public... or a consensual
Aria (busy) | whipping in front of others in the scene... that
| isn't humiliating to me, but
Aria (busy) | might be to others....
Night Spirit | David this is a discussion hour not play time--sorry
~nikki~ (busy) | me too, effy........verbal humiliation is a no-no
| for me
Zen Whacking Stick | david this is a forum not a pick up club
Zen Whacking Stick | that is true too GrPa
Lynn <busy> | me too, nik and effy
Lynn <busy> | turns me right off..
Zen Whacking Stick | like most things...very subjective
Aria (busy) | no... If i were belittled about being
| unintelligent, that would be humiliating
Aria (busy) | and not a turn on at all
Aria (busy) | cause I am not
Night Spirit | I love being called a BITCH by GrPa during play but
| I do not want someone
JUE-BABY | jue -baby jacking
Night Spirit | calling me that while walking to the store
effy (busy) | agreed, but affectionaately being called your
| Master's slut, that isn't so bad
Zen Whacking Stick | so, aria...for you. you wnat the humilation to turn
| you on
!!~Earl Grey~ | Yes......It is, of course, subjective.......but
| what is really
!!~Earl Grey~ | meant in this context by humiliation?
~nikki~ (busy) | .........but.......to be asked to do something that
| I would find VERY
~nikki~ (busy) | embarrassing.......<pant, pant>
Leda (busy) | I like certain types of verbal humiliation--the
| sort that Zen mention makes me
Leda (busy) | kinda hot <g> which is humiliating in and of itself.
Leda (busy) | But it's not the same as *belittling*
Night Spirit | Jue-baby please stick to the subject
Zen Whacking Stick | agreed Leda
Aria (busy) | if I was called a whore or a slut, though, even
| though I am not, that would
Aria (busy) | turn me on in public.... if it was by someone that
| i was in a relationship with
Zen Whacking Stick | I do not think my slave is a whore
MoL's Katie J | yes, I agree with you, Leda
razorman | hi
Zen Whacking Stick | but in a certain context, she likes to be called
| that, and i like to call her
Zen Whacking Stick | that
Night Spirit | ZWS do you get enjoyment out of calling her that,
| or is it she enjoys it so you
Night Spirit | do it?
Zen Whacking Stick | both
Lord Excalibur | as I said earlier Zen everyone has a differant
| conception of humiliation
Night Spirit | ZWS ever did it in public?
~nikki~ (busy) | I think it also depends on the mental and emotion
| need/mood of the players too
Aria (busy) | I think Zen, that I want the humiliation to become
| part of OUR ritual, whatever
Aria (busy) | the ritual becomes
rose | hi
Aria (busy) | does that make sense?
Zen Whacking Stick | ultimately, D/s should be mutually satisfying
Aria (busy) | <agreeing with nikki here>
Zen Whacking Stick | not that particular thing, NS....
marieM | So is this a area that would be more reserved for
| partners that know each other
marieM | pretty well
Night Spirit | I agree ZWS
razorman | hi rose
Aria (busy) | yes... marie
~nikki~ (busy) | I would like to think so......marie
James Michael | slips in, and sits in the back.
rose | hi raz
Zen Whacking Stick | i am into exhibitionism..which some find humilating
| i guess
Aria (busy) | <grinning>
Night Spirit | so mostly name calling is a private thing--what is
| a good public thing--most I
Night Spirit | know go with no wearing of underwear and wear a
| short dress if a female sub
night nurse | sneaking in now that it is evening
~nikki~ (busy) | I think you need to feel a level of trust before
| you can enter inot that kinda
~nikki~ (busy) | play, IMHO, anyway
faith b. | hello all
effy (busy) | it also totally depends on *who* is doing the
| humiliating.
Aria (busy) | umm what if you dont ever wear underware?
Leda (busy) | I think so too, nikki.
Zen Whacking Stick | i like shareware..chuckle
GrandPaDeSade | I tell NS she is no better than a hole in the bed.
| One of the reasons it turns
GrandPaDeSade | her on is because it's safe to react that way. She
| knows it's not how I really
GrandPaDeSade | feel.
Night Spirit | Aria here in parts of SF, wearing a dress and no
| underear is very daring
Zen Whacking Stick | what about a sub having to tell a stranger that she
| is submissive and why?
Zen Whacking Stick | would you find that humilating?
Lord Excalibur | wearing of no underwear is a pretty comonplace
| thing NS, I don't think it comes
Lord Excalibur | into humiliation, possibly short dresses in a
| female sub
Dickie® | my ex never wore underwear
Aria (busy) | nope Zen
Aria (busy) | mostly cause I wouldn't see that person again
~nikki~ (busy) | No, Zen.......I could do that no probs.......
Night Spirit | I dressed a male sub I had as a bag lady and sent
| him grocery shopping--he
Night Spirit | loved it
Zen Whacking Stick | smiles
Brandy (busy) | no panties is a turn on for men ...i like to tease
| a man by telling him im not
Brandy (busy) | wearing any
Zen Whacking Stick | wicked NS
Aria (busy) | <nodding>
Aria (busy) | brb
effy (busy) | someone asked me today if being the demo slave for
| a caning was
effy (busy) | humiliating (i did it in front of a couple hundred
| people) I said no, it would have
effy (busy) | been much more humiliating if it had been people I
| knew
*Eldersign* | :thoughtful: When I worked in a club in SF...I once
| had a
*Eldersign* | new client...who sweated, whimpered and
| cried...over an
*Eldersign* | hour, just because I made her raise up her
| skirt...humiliation
*Eldersign* | is really relative.
Night Spirit | effy good point
Night Spirit | but I go to play parties and game nights with folks
| I do know--and strip
effy (busy) | i meant, vanilla friends NS <clarifying> <s>
Night Spirit | oh
~nikki~ (busy) | I found being made to actually *talk* to someone
| (watching) during a public
~nikki~ (busy) | scene MORE humiliating then being played with.
Night Spirit | so is humilation a good thing?
MoL's Katie J | it can be an aphrodisiac
~nikki~ (busy) | Again, NS....depends of the genral mood of the
| players
Night Spirit | nikki why?
*Eldersign* | Sure...if it reinforces the sense of control your
| person has
*Eldersign* | over you.
MoL's Katie J | but it depends on how the parties feel about it.
~nikki~ (busy) | I have trouble verbalising, NS.......
Leda (busy) | A good thing? It's an erotic thing, sometimes, and
| a difficult thing other
Leda (busy) | times--overall, for me, it raises the heat of the
| play, so, yep, I think it
Leda (busy) | works with my relationship.
effy (busy) | i can say that in personal experience, I think it
| makes you a stronger person,
effy (busy) | cuz you learn how to deal with that part of you..
| it takes down barriers of fear of
effy (busy) | the unknown (for me anyhow)
Night Spirit | ah nikki then yes I do understand.
marieM | I think when it allows us to slip beyond - to
| places we *want* to go.. it's a
marieM | good thing..
GrandPaDeSade | I have had submissives get on a bus with no panties
| on, sit in a sideways
GrandPaDeSade | facing seat, and flash the person(s) sitting
| accross form them. (I sat nearby
GrandPaDeSade | and was ready to protect her if needed. I also had
| her get of in a very public
GrandPaDeSade | spot with lots of people aroundd and our car
| nearby.)
~nikki~ (busy) | I didn't know the guy.......but he was chatting
| away like I had known him for
~nikki~ (busy) | years.......I was.....well, .....er......getting
| kinda hot from the
~nikki~ (busy) | play.......HE could see that.......I could have
| DIED!!!
marieM | sometimes it helps us break down barriers.. or like
| nikki said do something
marieM | that is hard for her
STEVE | hi everyone......look at all the people
Night Spirit | ok in private---do we like it?
GrandPaDeSade | nikki, it turned you on more though didn't it?
Night Spirit | and how do we use it?
*Eldersign* | :chuckles: You were saying, ladies?
~nikki~ (busy) | I suppose so, GPDS
Lynn <busy> | <does not like verbal humilation
Night Spirit | I have used it on subs my keeping them in their
| place, like during puppy
Night Spirit | training
Leda (busy) | I think it can emphasize certain things in the D/s
| relationship--certainly
Leda (busy) | control, as Elder noted, and deepen the sense of
| submission and the
Leda (busy) | relinquishing of control. I guess the key is:
| every individual thing doesn't
Leda (busy) | have to be "good" exactly, or liked by the subbie,
| perhaps, as long as it
Leda (busy) | strengthens the overall relationship. IMO.
Night Spirit | why Lynn? and what is TOO far to you?
~nikki~ (busy) | No, Lynn......I was just asked to speak to the
| guy.......no humiliation in
~nikki~ (busy) | that......it was just the *idea* that made me cringe
Lynn <busy> | it makes me furioius.. kills my mood
Lynn <busy> | and makes me much less than submissive
GrandPaDeSade | We are taught that sex is a private thing. It's not
| surprising that for many of
GrandPaDeSade | os some aspects of making it public are thrilling.
effy (busy) | i would say that's a bad thing for a subby <s>
Lynn <busy> | name calling..it's just not for me
Lynn <busy> | yup, effy <s>
Night Spirit | I understand Lynn :)
ElectricBlueyes>M | The other night there was a quite intense
ElectricBlueyes>M | debate on the simple use of the terms
ElectricBlueyes>M | slave/sub---some (myself included)
ElectricBlueyes>M | thinking the term slave is degrading
ElectricBlueyes>M | beyond humiliating
effy (busy) | what about the private humiliation, the displaying
| for him, or his friends, the
effy (busy) | loss of control without bondage?
Aria (busy) | Lynn other than that word slut, or whore, I hate
| verbal public humiliation..
Aria (busy) | and before Madrigal... i wouldn't accept it from
| ANYONE... even in private...
Night Spirit | EBE I understand how some may feel that, but to me
| I perfer property
Lynn <busy> | <s> Aria...
GrandPaDeSade | And yet NS likes to be known as my "property"
~nikki~ (busy) | Hot, effy
Lynn <busy> | dislaying for my Dom is wonderful..
GrandPaDeSade | Not even a slave.
*Eldersign* | GP...that's a reflection of her regard for YOU,
| personally.
Lynn <busy> | very hot, effy <s>
Night Spirit | ok how many here would wear a collar to go out in
| public lets say to go
Night Spirit | shopping?
effy (busy) | <wants to explore the loss of control without
| bondage>
*Eldersign* | I doubt she'd feel the same way for someone else.
effy (busy) | <raising hand>
Aria (busy) | I have
Lynn <busy> | I would
marieM | i have
GrandPaDeSade | But it does have a relation to this discussion.
~nikki~ (busy) | I would and have, NS
night nurse | i would
ElectricBlueyes>M | But the connotation of "slave" is forced--I
ElectricBlueyes>M | give myself happily to my Mistress
Aria (busy) | no its not Ebe
ElectricBlueyes>M | that's my 2 cents for the night ,s>
Night Spirit | ok how many would wear cuffs ankles and wrists
| shopping?
MoL's Katie J | I wore my collar on the plane to see MoL .. but
| wouldn't where my vanilla
StrongHeart | <quitely smiling and taking some notes>
MoL's Katie J | friends would see me.
marieM | for some it's not that EBE is a slave to his
| passions.. and yours
Lynn <busy> | <S>
GrandPaDeSade | NS have you ever been anyone else's "property"
effy (busy) | I have worn them other places, not clubbing, NS,
| does that count?
marieM | and more than that even
~nikki~ (busy) | Ebe! A slave ain't *forced*......it is what she
| desires.....each ot their own,
~nikki~ (busy) | bro
Night Spirit | yep effy
Aria (busy) | i would like to come back that with you privately
| if you want... another time
Aria (busy) | perhaps?
Lynn <busy> | I wouldn't wear them shopping.. no
GrandPaDeSade | Slave as we use it is a willing slave
sarah | I would do it if he asked me to, of course
Aria (busy) | leather ones Night Spirit?
ElectricBlueyes>M | a willing slave--then that's fine
Aria (busy) | ir bracelets?
Aria (busy) | or even
ElectricBlueyes>M | it is simply the connotation
effy (busy) | but NS -- all D/s wear (if you are edger of gen x/
| boomer) is *fashion*
Night Spirit | ok if the Mistress or Master asked you as a
| sub/slave/property/whatever to wear
Night Spirit | cuffs will going shopping how would you feel?
~nikki~ (busy) | willing = consensual, Ebe......
ElectricBlueyes>M | daaaaaaaaah, nikki!!!
Night Spirit | effy I agree but some still feel uncomfortable in it
Lynn <busy> | My Master.. would not ask such a thing
MoL's Katie J | MoL sent me bracelets .. which I wore ... until my
| mother looked at them and
~nikki~ (busy) | I would do that too.....and proudly so, NS
MoL's Katie J | said .. slave bracelets .. really, Kate!!
Aria (busy) | (bouncing leg)guys, I think i might have to leave
| <sigh>
Night Spirit | EBE that is a discussion for I think 2 weeks from
| now
effy (busy) | I wear a choker collar every day to work -- and for
| those of you who know where
effy (busy) | I work....
Leda (busy) | I had to wear my collar to a Broadway play, in
| evening wear.
MoL's Katie J | then I wore just one <G>
Leda (busy) | It was difficult.
sarah | If Exile requested it of me...I would do it happily
effy (busy) | <laffin> it don't get much more public
Leda (busy) | But I do it because I am told to do it.
Leda (busy) | <shrug>
ElectricBlueyes>M | ok--sorry, NH!
GrandPaDeSade | There are those on the fringes of BDSM who practice
| unwilling slavery too. They
GrandPaDeSade | feel they are owned by another, even with rights of
| sale.
*Eldersign* | :knows Kate's mother...and she could pick out a
| snowflake
*Eldersign* | in a blizzard, and give it hell:
Night Spirit | Leda but how would you feel, doing your duty, or a
| tiny thrill or ho hum
Night Spirit | another task another spanking
~nikki~ (busy) | Too deep for me, GPDS
GrandPaDeSade | Agree nikki
Leda (busy) | Never, "ho hum, another spanking, NS" <laffin> No
| such thing.
Night Spirit | GrPa that is another subject later on the schedule
Leda (busy) | I felt--conspicuous.
Leda (busy) | And good that I was pleasing my Master.
sarah | <- tiny thrill
Aria (busy) | <quietly says> I was once very close to that
| mindset though GPDS
Leda (busy) | So a mix of good and bad.
GrandPaDeSade | I have taken NS walking in downtown San Francisco
| hands bound, in collar and on
GrandPaDeSade | a leash. Flogger at my side.
~nikki~ (busy) | Ooops! Sorry, Aria.......just how *I* feel,
night nurse | isn;t it all defined by the level at which the
| relationship is at
Night Spirit | so we feel some humilation is good mostly in
| private...so now how about play
Night Spirit | parties how do you feel then?
~wrybrat~ | NS.. how did that make you feel?
~nikki~ (busy) | Wow!!! Talk about a mental mind fuck, GPDS ^5's
marieM | GPDS is that becasue its San Fran or would you do
| that in the burbs as well?
Aria (busy) | I don't think it has a place at parties....
Night Spirit | wry I am an actress from way back I get off being
| the center of attention
effy (busy) | SF / WLA doesn't count, imo <sorry NS!!!>
GrandPaDeSade | Aria. I'm not saying it's wrong. Just not my thing.
| I never complain if that's
~wrybrat~ | <g>
GrandPaDeSade | what the person wants.
Night Spirit | marie did it in SF, Reno, Vegas and sonoma
*Eldersign* | :does not see this happening in Des Moines:
effy (busy) | neither does vegas <g>
daisey | <giggle> Elder
Aria (busy) | and the reason that I say that, is because I think
| that at a party, the world
Aria (busy) | should see the mutual respect that the people have
| for each other
Night Spirit | Aria why?
GrandPaDeSade | We have dome in in San Francisco, Reno, Las Vegas,
| and smaller cities around SF.
~nikki~ (busy) | Agreed Aria......
Leda (busy) | It depends on the form of humiliation, perhaps,
| Aria. <s> I mean,
Leda (busy) | objectification--making the sub act as a table,
| say--is humiliating, but it can
Leda (busy) | also make for an effective public scene. <s> part
| of one.
night nurse | I would agree Aria
Aria (busy) | that isn't humiliating to me at all Leda
Night Spirit | Leda does make a good point
Leda (busy) | Ahhh--but it would be for me. <g>
Lynn <busy> | me too, Leda
effy (busy) | doesn't it also depend on how secure the sub is
| with the Dom? GPDS said
effy (busy) | earlier that he could tell NS she was no better
| than a hole in the bed, cuz NS
effy (busy) | knew better
Leda (busy) | But it would also be a way I would enjoy showing my
| submission publicly--
GrandPaDeSade | She has been chained to slot machines in Reno and
| Vegas.
~nikki~ (busy) | It depends if objectification turns you on
| though.......
Leda (busy) | and all the more valuable because it *would* be
| humiliating to me. <s>
night nurse | humilation and the type of it occuring is a
| personal opinion
GrandPaDeSade | Depends on the sub effy.
Aria (busy) | but then my limits are pretty broad... and as I
| noted.... I was very close to
Aria (busy) | the mind set that GPDS suggested earlier at a point
| in my life...
effy (busy) | <remembering sutra leading river by a leash thru
| the casinos in vegas>
Aria (busy) | i think i might have liked to see that
Aria (busy) | <g>
GrandPaDeSade | I once knew someone who liked REAL gang rapes
| because she liked to REALLY be
GrandPaDeSade | humiliated.
Night Spirit | effy this is true because I know in my heart I am a
| million times better then a
Night Spirit | bloody hole in the bed
Brandy (busy) | thats offel!
effy (busy) | <and I agree>
effy (busy) | i think so too NS
~nikki~ (busy) | I would put that on the border of abuse, GPDS
effy (busy) | I was just saying that it depends on the personal
| relationship, no?
Brandy (busy) | <agreed too>
GrandPaDeSade | Again, that's not my thing, but it's what she
| wanted. . .
night nurse | i would agree effy
Night Spirit | now see I am pretty daring but personally I am not
| into gang rapes and such, I
Night Spirit | just love it when he bounds my wrists and says take
| it BITCH and I am flying in
Night Spirit | subbie space
marieM | agreed effy and finding out where those boundaries
| are for each of us and
marieM | together
GrandPaDeSade | Is it abuse if it's what one wants?
Brandy (busy) | id like that too nite spirit
night nurse | not if that is what is desired and gives both
| pleasure
*The Inspector* | self-abuse maybe?
Night Spirit | ah good point Inspector
Aria (busy) | What if the person doesn't realise that they are
| harming themself mentally?
Aria (busy) | emotionally? and physically?
daisey | goodpoint TI
effy (busy) | is wanting to be taken just how he wants to take
| you .. humiliation?
GrandPaDeSade | Isn't any masochist into self-abuse. Don't they
| want what they get? Where is
~nikki~ (busy) | Hmmmmm......I would say REAL gang rape is abuse
| (in my book).......if
GrandPaDeSade | the line?
~nikki~ (busy) | not........we could say snuff wasn't abuse cos it
| is what the perosn
~nikki~ (busy) | wanted.....no?
Aria (busy) | i think the point is to NOT harm... and even if it
| is what the sub wants...
Aria (busy) | does that mean that you give it to them?
~nikki~ (busy) | Exactly, Aria
Night Spirit | Aria sometimes what we think of as normal such as
| being called a BITCH others
Night Spirit | see as verbal abuse
Brandy (busy) | i agree Aria
GrandPaDeSade | But if the "victim" sets up the gang-rape, then is
| it abuse?
daisey | <- personally would not like Exile to call me names
effy (busy) | safe *sane* and consensual
Aria (busy) | The Dom's job is to make sure that the sub isn't
| harmed... thats why you give
Aria (busy) | up control to them
MoL's Katie J | if there is consent, it is not rape.
Aria (busy) | yes, it is self abuse
GrandPaDeSade | How do we define harm
~nikki~ (busy) | I would have to ask.....WHO is running the scene,
| GPDS......the Dom or the sub
~nikki~ (busy) | (victim)
GrandPaDeSade | The law thinks most of us are crazy
Night Spirit | GrPa please stick to the subject--humilation
~wrybrat~ | well.. couldn't harm be a product of humiliation?
GrandPaDeSade | The authorities would jail us all if they could.
| they would say we are all
GrandPaDeSade | doing harm to one another.
night nurse | in some countries slapping a face makes the person
| you slapped your slave
GrandPaDeSade | OK, sorry.
Leda (busy) | Psychological harm, wry, yes. That's why the Dom
| doing the humiliating had
Leda (busy) | better damn well know his sub.
GrandPaDeSade | I felt that was, but I'll let it go.
Night Spirit | wry humilation in itself should be negoatated
| before hand
effy (busy) | tripwires
~nikki~ (busy) | <thinking>.......okay.....how about......A Dom asks
| his sub/slave to tell
Leda (busy) | We all have emotional hot-buttons--and verbal
| humiliation could turn into
Leda (busy) | verbal "abuse" in my mind if it strayed into the
| wrong areas.
~nikki~ (busy) | another Dom where, how and why she last
| masturbated? Humiliation??????
MoL's Katie J | yes, there are limits to humiliation as well.
~wrybrat~ | how are your boundaries ever going to be pushed if
| *everything* is negotiated
~wrybrat~ | before hand?
Night Spirit | nikki is the other Dom a friend or stranger?
Leda (busy) | Yep, Katie--and it helps if you know what really
| *hurts* your subbie.
effy (busy) | tripwires
Aria (busy) | wry... thats the point
Night Spirit | but limits should be set long before one plays
effy (busy) | you have to know the tripwires
Aria (busy) | you point out where you will allow them to push
daisey | I agree with wry on that one
~nikki~ (busy) | NS.......either.......Dom choice.
Leda (busy) | I don't know that it's negotiation so much in this
| case, wry, so much as
Leda (busy) | getting to *know* one anohter.
Aria (busy) | area's that you don't want them to touch
Aria (busy) | and areas that you are wide open on
Leda (busy) | Mentor knows I have issues with certain things
| because of things in my past.
Night Spirit | nikki wouldn't bother me, but some it would..I am a
| sick puppy
effy (busy) | <-- doesn't do daddy scenes, nuh uh no way
Leda (busy) | All that gets taken into account, in some fashion,
| in our play. <s>
~nikki~ (busy) | <<--- is a sick puppy to, NS <hugs>
Lord Excalibur | but like negotiations of boundaries NS humiliation
| is a subject to be pushed
daisey | we have a checklist of about 100 things that Exile
| found....and it has a place
daisey | to decide whether that is a hard or a sof tlimit
| wry wry
MoL's Katie J | exactly, Leda ... one has to be aware of the traps
| we all have inside.
Leda (busy) | yes--and sometimes you only learn when you step on
| a landmine. <s>
Night Spirit | see I am overweight GrPa would never call me pig or
| fat cuz it would hurt me,
Night Spirit | call me a whore or slut doesn't--but afterall they
| are just words--but have
Night Spirit | different effects
Lord Excalibur | yes that a good list I have it logged on file
daisey | <S> LE
Victor | hello all
Leda (busy) | Right, NS--he knows what would be *hurtful*
Leda (busy) | Or perhaps I mean harmful. <s>
marieM | sometimes pushing the boundaries starts with small
| steps.. what everyone has
marieM | said a few times it's with partners who have some
| knowledge at.. - like with
marieM | any scene - there are signals both give off when to
| stop or keep going
beth | good evening
Lord Excalibur | if anybody wants it I will send it if they can't
| find it on line
Night Spirit | there are always places to explore, to learn to
| stretch but there are some
Night Spirit | places you do not touch--even a tiny push can be
| too much
GrandPaDeSade | You did have me call you a pig once NS, but i don't
| think ift gave you the
GrandPaDeSade | control over your memories you hoped it would.
Leda (busy) | I think emotional limits are not to be pushed
| lightly, ever, LE. <s>
Lord Excalibur | especiallly in the mental aspect NS
MoL's Katie J | that's why communication is so important in what we
| do.
effy (busy) | <agrees>
~nikki~ (busy) | Me too, Leda......
Night Spirit | I agree :)
Night Spirit | our relationships and lifestyle is what we make it
| and how we are willing to
Night Spirit | let them grow
daisey | <IMHO..submission always pushes my emotional limits>
Lord Excalibur | true Leda, know your sub.slave properly and her
| emotional limits is very very
Lord Excalibur | important
Aria (busy) | Yeah, there is so much tied up in emotional stuff
| within this that we have to
Aria (busy) | be careful not to push too hard, even when we are
| with those we trust, with
Aria (busy) | long standing partners.
GrandPaDeSade | I went alone with it because she seemed to be
| trying to make the painful memory
GrandPaDeSade | less hurtful.
Leda (busy) | We're talking about humiliation, Daisy.
night nurse | then isn't a matter of trusting your Dom/Domme that
| when you say stop or
night nurse | whatever your safe word is that they stop
Night Spirit | ok last part of humilation....you went to far in
| what the sub was asked, how do
Night Spirit | you undo the damage?
GrandPaDeSade | Isn't thet the reason for some of the humiliation
| we do is a "safe" enviorment.
Aria (busy) | For me, some things, that would push my limits
| would become truly humiliating,
Lord Excalibur | loving and kindness
Aria (busy) | and then really hurt me... so I think that is kind
| of tied up with this Night
Aria (busy) | Spirit
~nikki~ (busy) | Cominication, aftercare, and a wagon load of hugs,
| NS
Leda (busy) | If the underlying relationship is sound, you'll
| repair it like any other
Leda (busy) | fissure. <s> With time and care and patching and
| learning from your mistakes.
Leda (busy) | And love. <s>
Lord Excalibur | ok so I reduced it nikki
Leda (busy) | And, yep nikki--good ole communication. <S>
effy (busy) | can the damage be repaired? especially if it is
| emotional? I mean, wounds
effy (busy) | heal... but trust....?
~nikki~ (busy) | LOL LE
Aria (busy) | reinforcement of the love and trust that you have
| for each other?
~wrybrat~ | I believe that trust heals too..
Night Spirit | so we agree it can be a good thing, done in places
| agreed upon and if we step
Night Spirit | over the line, love and communications can conquer
| it
effy (busy) | if the Dom went seriously too far?
~nikki~ (busy) | Depends, effy........trust to me is a biggie.....
effy (busy) | me too nik
Leda (busy) | I think if Mentor really strayed into ground where
| I went ballistic, effy, it
Leda (busy) | would be something we both would learn from. if he
| proceeded regardless of my
Leda (busy) | reaction, it would be a lot more serious.
Lord Excalibur | in time wry but special care is needed, a reduction
| of play maybe more
Lord Excalibur | attention to love and kindness
Night Spirit | truth effy if I told GrPa red and had to say it
| again, there is no trust and no
Night Spirit | relationship, I trust him to stop--period
Leda (busy) | Exactly, NS.
~nikki~ (busy) | Exactly, NS.....spot on.
CA§EY | hi every body
Night Spirit | so if we screw up we give alot of love :)
night nurse | well spoken NS
Night Spirit | ok any last words?
Lord Excalibur | yes
effy (busy) | I trust my Dom not to get too lost in his space...
| I mean, if he did -- what
effy (busy) | protection do I have then?
Aria (busy) | <nodding> Yes... only once did I have a humiliation
| go past the bounds of
Aria (busy) | D/s... and it took me months of working on my own...
Night Spirit | effy that is an excellant point----
Aria (busy) | to make it back to being able to trust...
Aria (busy) | and to play again...
Lord Excalibur | we all slip effy, but a valid point
GrandPaDeSade | You have had to NS. When you speak too softly and I
| don't hear it.
effy (busy) | I would be skittish and call stop before we ever
| really got far enough for me to
effy (busy) | lose myself, then what would the point be?
GrandPaDeSade | But otherwise, I agree.
Aria (busy) | I think that it helps if you are with the person in
| person, frequently, cause
Aria (busy) | LDR doesn't help heal that kind of wound
Night Spirit | that doesn't count :)
Lord Excalibur | true Aria but it is possible
effy (busy) | I once had to call stop four times, I never saw
| that person again, nor do I really
effy (busy) | trust him even still (has been years)
~wrybrat~ | it can exacerbate it, aria.. but with work trust
| heals...
Leda (busy) | Yes, but effy--that one time when it was going too
| far and the Dom was losing
Leda (busy) | himself in his space, you would have a
| responsibility to both of you to call a
Leda (busy) | stop. And if he didn't, well--he doesn't deserve
| to be trusted.
effy (busy) | <shrugs>
effy (busy) | it worked out I guess
daisey | 4 times??????
effy (busy) | 4 times
Leda (busy) | That sucks, effy.
daisey | <sigh>
GrandPaDeSade | I wouldn't either effy.
daisey | if i even look like i am gonna use my safe word we
| are stopping and discussing
night nurse | that is good communication between the both of you
| daisey
Night Spirit | ok due to the death of my computer, I do not have
| what is on schedule for next
Night Spirit | week
Night Spirit | do you Katie?
MoL's Katie J | let me look NS
daisey | <- uses NS's amber word too...<and a thank u to her
| for that>
~wrybrat~ | amber word?
Lord Excalibur | I only need to mentio purple to LA and she will do
| anythihng <s>
MoL's Katie J | Differences between B&D, D/s, S&M
MoL's Katie J | What is a Dom
MoL's Katie J | What is a Sub
MoL's Katie J | What is a Sadist
MoL's Katie J | What is a Masochist
MoL's Katie J | What is Bondage and
MoL's Katie J | What is Discipline
MoL's Katie J | What is S&M
effy (busy) | green yellow red, like that wry
MoL's Katie J | What is D/s to You
MoL's Katie J | Differences Between Sub, Slave & Property
daisey | a middle ground word...a yellow word for i am
| approaching a danger zone wry wry
MoL's Katie J | ya, I got it.
~wrybrat~ | <s> thanks
Lord Excalibur | knocking out the door fram e so Katie can get out
Night Spirit | while Miss Katie get's next week subject I urge you
| all to use the message
Night Spirit | section for anything, poems, arguements, soemthing
| you saw in the paper, or
Night Spirit | have questions. If you have stories or pictures
| you want in the library please
Night Spirit | do
Night Spirit | ahhhhhhhhh
Leda (busy) | My yellow is "yowwwww, godohgodohgod I can't take
| much anymooooore" <laffin>
Night Spirit | next we discuss it what do these words mean
daisey | <giggle> Leda
Night Spirit | EBE I hope you can come to that one
Aria (busy) | mine is Yellow <G>
daisey | well... i use *ouchie* too
~wrybrat~ | <laffing>
Night Spirit | and give us your input on the subject
daisey | <giggling>
Aria (busy) | i say ow all the time
ElectricBlueyes>M | I will do my best, NH!! <s>
Aria (busy) | but that doesn't mean i want it to stop <G>
GrandPaDeSade | To us yello is slow down OR change direction, I',m
| approaching a limit.
Leda (busy) | <G> That keeps it nice and simple, Aria.
effy (busy) | lol Aria
daisey | oooo Aria....i am a quiet one
~wrybrat~ | the topic is the differences?
Leda (busy) | I think it's more my *volume* than what I say. <g>
GrandPaDeSade | Saves having to use red and have things stop
Night Spirit | wry it is differences in sub/slave.property/dom/top
~nikki~ (busy) | <<--- say "Ohhhhhhhh shit" Or "F**********" LOL
daisey | <- agreed G'Pa
~wrybrat~ | thanks <s>
daisey | oo no...the *F* word makes it worse
Night Spirit | just what the heck are the differences--or is there
| any?
MoL's Katie J | Thanks to all of you for a most enjoyable
| discussion <s>
GrandPaDeSade | Also means she can yell stop, oh shit, or anything
| else she wants with freedom.
~wrybrat~ | thanks to our very own ops.. <s>
Night Spirit | Ladies and Gentlemen I once again am very happy you
| could all join us
MoL's Katie J | and we can always continue these discussions on the
| message boards here
daisey | if i say that damn F word next thing i know u am in
| the middle of a math
daisey | lesson<giggle>
~wrybrat~ | <clapping for the terrorous trio>
Night Spirit | you make this very special :) esp to me
~nikki~ (busy) | Thanks to our Hosts <smiling>
MoL's Katie J | And FemSubs .. reserve next Tuesday night for the
| subbie CO :-)
daisey | a big Thank ya
Night Spirit | Katie is right please use the message section for
| anything you want
daisey | what time KJ?
Aria (busy) | Can we do a switches conference as well?
MoL's Katie J | 10:30 pm, edt ..... next Tuesday night
Night Spirit | Katie would you post that on the message board
| please and send a copy to while E
daisey | <translating time xzones><blonde look>
ElectricBlueyes>M | awwwwwwwwwwww--NS so sweet--can't
ElectricBlueyes>M | be a Domme bone in her <eg>
MoL's Katie J | of course, Aria .. you are also welcome to the
| subbie co too
Night Spirit | Aria want to lead them?
Aria (busy) | oh sure...
Aria (busy) | why not
Night Spirit | Aria let's talk
Aria (busy) | <shrugging>
Aria (busy) | Sure thing...
MoL's Katie J | sorta like being free and over 21 .. you can do
| anything you want <G>
ElectricBlueyes>M | I'm always the only male sub! Where are
ElectricBlueyes>M | all those AOL guys???
Night Spirit | lol
ElectricBlueyes>M | <s>
MoL's Katie J | on AOL. Ebe.
night nurse | sleeping
GrandPaDeSade | On AOL
effy (busy) | <grinning at Ebe, apologizing for biting him at the
| start of the CO>
daisey | <thanking God they are on AOL>
ElectricBlueyes>M | ummmm--ya can bite me anytime, effy!
effy (busy) | you weren't supposed to enjoy it!!
effy (busy) | <dangit>
~nikki~ (busy) | effy.....you *bite*?? Damn! I wish you had told
| me.....LOL
effy (busy) | <sharpenin teef>
ElectricBlueyes>M | back off, nikki--I am effy's bitee! LOL
Leda (busy) | G'night, good folk. <s>
~nikki~ (busy) | <poking toothbrush at ya>
effy (busy) | oh gosh, gee, thanks, nik!~
~nikki~ (busy) | Cya you all back in cb......
~nikki~ (busy) | LOL effy......<hugs>
~wrybrat~ | <waving>
MoL's Katie J | huggs to all!
effy (busy) | <hugs to all>
marieM | night and Thanks for the CO
~wrybrat~ | NS.. have a moment.
~wrybrat~ | ?
night nurse | night all
Brandy (busy) | hugs everyone
GrandPaDeSade | wry, hang on a sec, I'll ask her.
~wrybrat~ | thanks <s>
********** 8/9/98 6:10 PM End logging Silken Ties.