Nipple & Breast Torture
********** 8/23/98 4:58 PM Begin logging Silken Ties.
Observer | Good evening everyone
MoL's Katie J | good evening to you, Observer
*Night Spirit* | Good Evening all
MoL's Katie J | huggggs, NS sis!
night nurse | good evening all
MoL's Katie J | hello, night nurse
night nurse | good evening Mol's Katie
*Night Spirit* | hugs Katie sis
MoL's Katie J | ahhh, Good evening, Lord Ex :)
Lord Excalibur | Thats better, taken my coat off now
RON | hello everyone
MoL's Katie J | hiya Ron
~daisEy~ | greetings to all
MoL's Katie J | hello daisey
Lord Excalibur | hello Katie, NS my dear and everyone else
~wrybrat~ | evening all <s>
MoL's Katie J | hugggggs, wrywry Birthday Woman
*The Inspector* | hello all
Aria (busy) | <slips in quietly, for once>
*The Inspector* | huggs Katie
~wrybrat~ | hugggggs Kate <s>
~daisEy~ | Kisses Miss Aria
*The Inspector* | and Aria
MoL's Katie J | hugggs, Inspector
wendy | oh... i feel soo bad sneaking off in here like this!
night nurse | hello Aria
~daisEy~ | Kiss kiss TI
Aria (busy) | kisses Miss DaisEy
*The Inspector* | hiya daisEy
Aria (busy) | hello night nurse
MoL's Katie J | hello, wendy <s>
~daisEy~ | smoochies wry wry
MoL's Katie J | *kotc* Aria
Aria (busy) | kotc Katie
Lord Excalibur | hello Aria and Inspector
Aria (busy) | (so much for being quiet)
*The Inspector* | hiya LE
Aria (busy) | hello Lord Excalibur
~daisEy~ | <G>
MoL's Katie J | Lessee .. do we paddle wry for her Birthday <G>?
~wrybrat~ | 0o00o0o..yessssss
GrandPaDeSade | Hello all
wendy | hey Katie J!
Lord Excalibur | hello GPDS
MoL's Katie J | good evening, GrandPa
*Night Spirit* | everyone needs a good paddling
*The Inspector* | shakes GPDS
~daisEy~ | <perk>
Lord Excalibur | no not everyone my dear NS
MoL's Katie J | I can't imagine you would give any other kind, NS
GrandPaDeSade | Good evening LE, Katie, The Inspector
JOY | hi kids <S>
MoL's Katie J | hugs, Joy
*The Inspector* | huggs Joy
wendy | hello Joy
night nurse | hi Joy
GrandPaDeSade | Wanna try to paddle me NS???
~daisEy~ | ooOOOoooOO Joy<kiss>
Lord Excalibur | hello Joy
JOY | <<<<room huggsss>>>
MoL's Katie J | wry is the birthday woman .. she gets first
| paddlings <G>
*Night Spirit* | only if you promise NOT to touch my back GrPa <wg>
MoL's Katie J | <smiling at my love>
STEVE | hi all...who's getting paddled?
MoL's Katie J | We take turns, Steve
Master of Leisure | strolling into the room,,,,,,and smiles as he sees
Master of Leisure | her
STEVE | is there a line?
MoL's Katie J | NS .... we are doing Nipples tonight?
GrandPaDeSade | I won't touch your back at this point, (new
| tattoo), but the rest of you won't
GrandPaDeSade | be safe NS.
Lord Excalibur | oh I think I will be GPDS
GrandPaDeSade | Sounds good to me Katie
STEVE | oh is this the nipple torture thing?
*Night Spirit* | yep tonight is breast torture and nipple torture
| and also care
Master of Leisure | <---loves to do nipples.....<weg>
*The Inspector* | and where is Bubba when you need him?
Aria (busy) | <g>
MoL's Katie J | I know, honey <blush>
Lord Excalibur | mh favourite of mine as well
Aria (busy) | he's ummm busy
Master of Leisure | lafffffin,,,nippless....TI
STEVE | <taking bandaids off nipples>
STEVE | ouch
GrandPaDeSade | <--Is known as the "human nipple clamp"
~nikki~ (busy) | Hiya folks.......am I on time? (for a change)
Aria (busy) | you are nikki
~wrybrat~ | huggggggggs nik <s>
Lord Excalibur | only just nikki
~daisEy~ | kisses sis
MoL's Katie J | as much as anyone tonight ... lazy summer evening
| <s> hugs
*Night Spirit* | btw found this really beautiful website for clothing
*Night Spirit* | http://www.gypsymoon.com/
Master of Leisure | on time,,nahhhh..wink
~nikki~ (busy) | wry!!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!
~wrybrat~ | thanks, sweetie <s>
Aria (busy) | larger sizes?
~nikki~ (busy) | (((((((((( Hugs to ALL ))))))))))))) <<----- to
| save time
*Night Spirit* | now we will begin with the lovely birthday girl
| tell us about your favorite
*Night Spirit* | breast torture
*Night Spirit* | yep Aria :)
Lord Excalibur | yeah its a summer evening here as well Katie, its
| raining <s>
GrandPaDeSade | Aria, if she likes it, yes.
Master of Leisure | its too damn hot here...
Master of Leisure | but a great day for shopping,,,hehe
~wrybrat~ | umm.. I'm a learner.. better start with someone
| else.. <laffing> too cowardly
~wrybrat~ | for the clover clamps.. they hurt too much!
Aria (busy) | cool showers Master of Leisure Sir
Master of Leisure | you are lucky,,,aria,,,,,<s>
Lord Excalibur | with a partner of course Aria
night nurse | you all should be here then ,,,it is a beautiful
| summer evening
night nurse | just perfect
*Night Spirit* | ok Aria you win tell us about your favorite breast
| torture
GrandPaDeSade | Fingers can be worse wry
Aria (busy) | no no Sir, in a shower stall <g> and with a partner
| as Lord Excalibur suggests
Aria (busy) | my favorite breast torture is biting
Aria (busy) | combined with wooden clothes pins
Master of Leisure | ahhh....gotcha,,,,,that works well...my dear
JOY | and some ice
MoL's Katie J | ice is good.
Aria (busy) | the ice is only for later, when I can't get my bra
| back on
MoL's Katie J | very good.
Aria (busy) | ice isn't toture <G>
~wrybrat~ | biting is torture? I thought that it was just
| fun.. I'm an expert and I didn't
~wrybrat~ | know it..
MoL's Katie J | depends how you use it <G>
Lord Excalibur | ice first to numb and then the clamps or pins, then
| waite for them to come back
Lord Excalibur | to life <wg>
Master of Leisure | ice works well with biting,,,aria....its a good
Master of Leisure | combination
*Night Spirit* | Aria how hard is the bite and do you like clothes
| pins on the breast, nips or
*Night Spirit* | in zipper?
GrandPaDeSade | I have a metal pin in a tooth. It once held a
| filling that has fallen out. Now
GrandPaDeSade | it's handy for that "special bite"
MoL's Katie J | you are clever, Lord Ex
Lord Excalibur | thank you Katie
MoL's Katie J | zipper?
Aria (busy) | thats how i got outed to my mom... the bites are
| extraordinarily hard... I
Aria (busy) | ended up with 19 bite marks that lasted a month the
| last time I played as hard
Aria (busy) | as I like
~nikki~ (busy) | <<--- loves those bites, Aria <g>
GrandPaDeSade | fastening a bunch of pins together,then pulling
| them off all at once, or in
GrandPaDeSade | sequence is called a zipper.
*Night Spirit* | zipper is a bunch of clothes pins tied together at
| just the right moment you
*Night Spirit* | pull them all off
MoL's Katie J | thank you, Grandpa
Aria (busy) | and I love the clothes pins all over the
| breasts.... we used a whole bag of 100
Aria (busy) | the last time we played with them... you can do a
| zipper, cause thats
Aria (busy) | interesting... but I don't care where they are or
| how they come off
~nikki~ (busy) | <wincing/perking at the thought>
Mike's wen | i have a question... is it possible that biting can
| cause permenent damage that
Mike's wen | would render a female useless in breast feeding?
GrandPaDeSade | They are also fun to whip off.
~daisEy~ | no, wen
Aria (busy) | thats what they did GrPa <g>
*Night Spirit* | wen the milk ducts are pretty well in the middle of
| the breast, not likly
GrandPaDeSade | wen, we don't bite that hard.
~nikki~ (busy) | I don't think so, wen......there was a study of
| that on a threadin HSX. I
~nikki~ (busy) | think it was proved that there was no perm damage
Aria (busy) | they clipped them off with a crop
~daisEy~ | <nod> nik nik
night nurse | you would have chance of doing damage from leaving
| clamps on too long
*Night Spirit* | it would really take LONG teeth to reach that area
*The Inspector* | off with a crop? <making notes>
Mike's wen | thanks.. just wondering!
GrandPaDeSade | And remember, they are designed to withstand a
| child with teeth biting on them.
*Night Spirit* | night nurse good point, how long is long enough for
| clamps on nipples?
MoL's Katie J | When a kid bites, breastfeeding is over.
MoL's Katie J | IMHO
Aria (busy) | <g> yes Inspector
JOY | i heard no more than 15 mins?
Aria (busy) | you are right Katie
night nurse | well 15 minutes approximately
~daisEy~ | <thinking the books say round 5 or 10 mins>
*The Inspector* | see these forums are interesting and informative
night nurse | or until they are no longer feeling the desired
| affect
*Night Spirit* | I have heard 15 minutes also
GrandPaDeSade | Not for all Katie. Some continue. (Masochists in
| hiding)
~wrybrat~ | dais, what books?
Mike's wen | i have found that they desensitize after 8 min
Master of Leisure | chucklin
*Night Spirit* | night nurse what type of breast torture do you like?
Sherkahn | greetings <S>
Master of Leisure | each person is different,,,wen,,,,,some can take
Master of Leisure | them longer,some less.....comes from experience
night nurse | clothespin and clamps <S>
~nikki~ (busy) | Ohhhh if they are on for long enough it is the
| coming OFF that is the killer!!!
~nikki~ (busy) | LOL
JOY | hi Sherkahn
night nurse | and of course whipping
Sherkahn | hi JOY
~daisEy~ | <quiet kisses>
Master of Leisure | wnks at nikki,,
Mike's wen | well, here is a question for all the females
| present... how long do you prefer?
Sherkahn | <S>
Aria (busy) | i love for them to be on a long time... but then I
| am a pain slut <g> in the
Aria (busy) | area of the breast
~nikki~ (busy) | I think it depends what else is going on at the
| same time......<g>
Aria (busy) | thats true too nikki
Mike's wen | have you ever orgasmed from strictly nipple torure
| and no other contact?
*The Inspector* | if you get busy elsewhere you might forget
| them.............<G>
night nurse | once the desired feeling is reached mine tend to
| stop hurting so then it is
night nurse | time to take them off...about 15 minutes for me<ggl>
~nikki~ (busy) | <<---- hasn't <sob>
*Night Spirit* | ok here is my favorite, we have these tiny paper
| clamps, and we put like 40 on
*Night Spirit* | my breasts, and wait a long while (not on nips) and
| then take them off. I also
*Night Spirit* | love the nipple clamp or clip trivia
~daisEy~ | <still trying> wem<S>
*Night Spirit* | loose clothes pins whipped off my breasts
*Night Spirit* | wen you betcha
Aria (busy) | me? from breast torture, yes, nipple torture alone,
| no
Aria (busy) | hi tina, when did you slip in?
night nurse | well clothespin work well when you have changed the
| grip and have done some
night nurse | sanding on them
*Night Spirit* | ok how many here like brest torture (not including
| nipple torture)?
*~tina~* | <smiles at aria......a while ago doll>
Aria (busy) | doh <G>
MoL's Katie J | yes, night nurse, I find regular clothespins/pegs
| too tight for my taste
Aria (busy) | <waving hand urgently>
Mike's wen | not sure
Mike's wen | .....yet
GrandPaDeSade | Anything with a seratted grip can't be torn or
| whipped off without causing
GrandPaDeSade | damage.
night nurse | jumping up and down
~nikki~ (busy) | <raising hand> (and hugging tina too)
*~tina~* | <---breast bondage ..<s>
Aria (busy) | too tight?
night nurse | me ,,me
MoL's Katie J | mostly, I like it.
*The Inspector* | Katie............pull the springs off and stretch
| them out and then put 'em back
*The Inspector* | together
MoL's Katie J | I have real sensitive breasts, and can get
| desensitized easily
Mike's wen | yeah... i am the same as Katie
MoL's Katie J | course, it does make for an easy orgasm .. lol
*Night Spirit* | Katie also go to a discount store they usually sell
| cheap clothes pins, less
*Night Spirit* | bite
night nurse | that is why clothespin work well Katie
Aria (busy) | mine are really sensitive too.. and that wasn't a
| slam at you lovie, i sure
Aria (busy) | hope that you understand that
*Night Spirit* | tina tell us about your favorite breast torture
night nurse | you can adjust them to any tightness
night nurse | roughness you prefer
Lady WolfSpirit | <walks in and takes a seat in the corner>
GrandPaDeSade | Go to a store that imports cheap foreign clothpins.
| The springs are usually
GrandPaDeSade | weaker.
*~tina~* | personally I like all, nipple t, breast t, but my
| fav is bondage.....and
*~tina~* | floggings...
GrandPaDeSade | Hi LW
Lady WolfSpirit | <smiles>...hello GrPa
MoL's Katie J | oh, yes .. I love having my breasts tied tightly
| <YUMMY>
Mike's wen | so what about brushing breasts and nipples with a
| hair brush....
Mike's wen | anyone like that?
*~tina~* | a nail file is pretty nice wen
Spider Pants | Too much chaffing for me
*Night Spirit* | yeah emory board on the nips then apply tiny bit of
| rubbing alcohol
Aria (busy) | never tried either of those, hair brush or nail file
*~tina~* | oh yes NS<smiling>
night nurse | it is just a matter of toughing the nipples like
| when you breast feed
*Night Spirit* | yes night nurse why I recommend breast cream (like
| we use when nursing) to
*Night Spirit* | toughen them up for more pleasure
GrandPaDeSade | By the way, when there are a whole bunch of pins or
| clips on the breasts, and
GrandPaDeSade | they've been there a few min. Then it's time for a
| nice close hug, or to just
GrandPaDeSade | run your hands over them.
Mike's wen | yes... toughening is a good idea... i hate that
| crusty feeling that happens a
Mike's wen | couple of days ofterwards
Marlowe | hello room
Mike's wen | hello M!
Aria (busy) | Madrigal loves to turn me over then GrPa... we have
| a bondage table that he
Aria (busy) | then has me lean against <G> and spread my legs
| really wide.... so that he can
Aria (busy) | cane the area of my ass where it meets my legs.....
*~tina~* | NS ...being bond with nipple weights attched is
| quite a lil thrill of
*~tina~* | mine.....also quite a test of endurance as
| well...<g>
*Night Spirit* | also good is using a wash cloth on them to toughen
| them
Peanut Butter | Hello
*~tina~* | bound I meana
*~tina~* | mean
GrandPaDeSade | Teeth gently nibbling can get pretty intense after
| awhile too.
MR FIX-IT | anyone 4 cybersex
GrandPaDeSade | Sounds like fun Aria
*Night Spirit* | ok how many like the breasts bound?
~nikki~ (busy) | The "sweet spot" Aria?? LOL
Aria (busy) | <nodding> it is
*~tina~* | <---does!
Mike's wen | i do i do
Aria (busy) | I love it <g>
Lady WolfSpirit | <--doesnt
~nikki~ (busy) | <<-- has never been bound
Aria (busy) | yes nikki the sweet spot <G>
MoL's Katie J | <waving hand furiously>
*Night Spirit* | ok let's hear good ways to bind breasts
night nurse | yes and if they really get sore and crusty ..udder
| cream is a wonderful
night nurse | solution<Smiling>
MoL's Katie J | Like isn't the word
MR FIX-IT | any females want cybersex
Aria (busy) | no Mr Fix-it this is a conference
*Night Spirit* | Mr fixit this is a conferance about breast torture
| not a pick up bar
Master of Leisure | leave,,,,fix it,,,,,<sly smile>
Lady WolfSpirit | well hugs and smooches MoL...<s>
Master of Leisure | hugggs and smooches,,LWS..<s>
MR FIX-IT | did'nt know sorry
MoL's Katie J | I take those in sends .. and I have him <s>
Master of Leisure | figured you did,,,,little one
~Grey~m | good evening Katie.....MoL
Master of Leisure | good evening,,,Grey
GrandPaDeSade | I did too. sorry to jump on your bandwagon Katie.
Aria (busy) | well we begin with a lasso loop, and slide it
| around the base of the first
Aria (busy) | breast... then the we wrap around the bases, in
| figure 8's
MoL's Katie J | no problem <s>
*~tina~* | Spartan often will use a figure eight method of
| binding with soft rope, and
*~tina~* | then bind around my ribs as well........but I like
| feeling it hard to breath as
*~tina~* | well.......
*Night Spirit* | Aria any special type of rope needed?
Mike's wen | and little loops around the nipples too!
*~tina~* | same here aria
~nikki~ (busy) | <taking notes>
Master of Leisure | i like the figure 8 tina,,,,around the ribs and
| around
Master of Leisure | the neck.....
Aria (busy) | well the cotton one works best... that with the
| polyester is rough and
Aria (busy) | scratchy...
*~tina~* | yes MoL......<smiles>
Aria (busy) | and you should wash it first to get it to soften up
*The Inspector* | good old fashioned clothes line
Aria (busy) | handles better that way....
*The Inspector* | cotton
night nurse | have not done breast binding yet ,,how does it feel
Lady WolfSpirit | <sneaks a smooch to TI>
*~tina~* | you can take it from the breast MoL...down thru the
| labia and back to the
*~tina~* | neck.....<weg>...
Aria (busy) | its wonderfully intense
*The Inspector* | <huggs LWS>
*Night Spirit* | Aria you mentioned washing it, can you give us
| details on how?
MoL's Katie J | oh, I love it
~Grey~m | <sits next to nikki peeks at her notes> hey girl
~nikki~ (busy) | tina! <pant, pant> Will ya show me??
MoL's Katie J | makes me tingle all under
Master of Leisure | winks at tina,,,,,,you sure can,,,,,,and you can
| apply
Master of Leisure | different pressures with the rope in different areas
Master of Leisure | too
*~tina~* | lol....only if you let me demo on you hon
Mike's wen | it makes you feel like your whole being revolves
| around your breasts
~nikki~ (busy) | ^5's tina.....<s>
Aria (busy) | sure... I cut it into lengths of 20 feet or so, and
| then knot the ends so that
Aria (busy) | it doesn't fray... that with the polyester in it,
| can be melted, but I prefer
Aria (busy) | the strictly cotton kind....
Aria (busy) | then I dump it into the washing machine and run it
| through a normal cycle
~nikki~ (busy) | So what is this hemp rope then?
*~tina~* | do you dry yours aria......or hang it?
Lady WolfSpirit | lol
Master of Leisure | you are gonna have fun in NYC in
| Feb....nikki,,,,,<w>
Lady WolfSpirit | sounds like we are doing laundry
*~tina~* | lol
night nurse | mmm will soon have to try it...sounds like
| something that sends a wonderful
night nurse | message all over your body
Lady WolfSpirit | <grins>
Aria (busy) | using diaper solution... to get rid of the stuff
| that the factory uses to
Aria (busy) | bleach it... then I just hang it to dry in the
| sun....
~nikki~ (busy) | I sure hope so, MoL.......we are coming over en
| masse......20 or so I think....
*Night Spirit* | personally I like soft curtain cord, the thick kind
| that is wound, I have alot
GrandPaDeSade | NS sounds like she is getting interested.
*Night Spirit* | of red it looks hot as well as feels hot
*~tina~* | wow niki!
Master of Leisure | we could get Dirk to do some japanese rope
Master of Leisure | bondage demos.....tina...what do ya think ?
*~tina~* | Im sure Dirk would be more than happy to demo
| MoL...sounds great
Aria (busy) | i have never tried that Night Spirit, as binding...
| used it to make a pleasure
Aria (busy) | flogger, but never for breast bondage
*Night Spirit* | no one invited me to NYC in Feb
~nikki~ (busy) | Soooo is there varying ways of doing breast
| bondage???
*~tina~* | NS...there has not been an oficial post yet.....but
| you damn well we want you
*~tina~* | there <weg>
Miabellina | hi
Aria (busy) | yes some just bind each breast seperately
*~tina~* | oops....forgot the know
Aria (busy) | and you can use thick rubber bands as well
Aria (busy) | if the breasts are bigger
~nikki~ (busy) | Okayyyyyy I have to ask.....how does it feel??
Aria (busy) | they also sell rubber sleeves? that you can cut to
| the width that you want and
Aria (busy) | then put those around the breasts
*Night Spirit* | yes nikki there is you can use wide or thin rope,
| bind together or figure 8,
*Night Spirit* | alot depends on what you like...However must once
| again wore when the breast is
*Night Spirit* | bound circulation is cut--can not be done over long
| periods of time
GrandPaDeSade | If you get some of the very heavy chopsticks they
| use in food preparation, put
GrandPaDeSade | one above and one below the breasts, then put
| rubber bands on each end, the
GrandPaDeSade | pressure works nicely too.
~nikki~ (busy) | Is it used as an enhancement to other TT tho?
mac | hello night spirite
Angel | hi people
Master of Leisure | hmmm.....good idea,,GPDS....haent tried that......
mac | hi
*Night Spirit* | ok let's get into heavy breast torture anyone into
| spanking, flogging the
*Night Spirit* | breasts?
Aria (busy) | <<<<me me me
*Night Spirit* | hiya mac
night nurse | ooohhh the chopstick thing sounds very interesting
mac | yes i am
~nikki~ (busy) | <<--- loves breast flogging.......short sharp slaps
Lord Excalibur | it is night nurse
GrandPaDeSade | How about slapping breasts?
night nurse | yes LE ,,hello
Lord Excalibur | or use then around the nipples as well as the
| breasts
mac | tell me more night spirite
night nurse | love to have my breasts slapped and flogged
*Night Spirit* | we have some floggers for that, suede and leather,
| but hurtful one is one made
*Night Spirit* | of thing rope with tiny brass beads on it
Lord Excalibur | btw hello to you night nurse
~nikki~ (busy) | I prefer a pussy whip being used on them......or a
| light flogger......rubber
~nikki~ (busy) | works best for me...
Aria (busy) | never had a rubber flogger
Aria (busy) | <pout>
GrandPaDeSade | Or the one made of thin rope strands with knots
| tied in them NS?
Lord Excalibur | I use a short deer skin flogger
Aria (busy) | the very first time that they were tortured, it was
| with a cat .... and I
Aria (busy) | thought i was going to go out of my mind in
| pleasure from the pain
Lady WolfSpirit | <--prefers a crop used around and on nipples
Aria (busy) | deer skin is too soft for me <G>
Aria (busy) | I like that too Lady WolfSpirit
*Night Spirit* | ok let's get real wild flogged breasts with clamps
| on nipples
Lord Excalibur | ok so borrow the heavy one <s>
night nurse | well if you use deer skin with other accessories it
| feels great
mac | tell me any good tips for my miss
*Night Spirit* | deer skin is good for warm ups get those endorphins
| awake
Aria (busy) | <grinning> you trying to make me really wet here
| Night Spirit?
night nurse | you are so right NS
Lord Excalibur | you got it NS
mac | got no deer skin
*Night Spirit* | no Aria but would you like to be <wink wink>
Aria (busy) | ummm can i plead the fifth?
Aria (busy) | <g>
GrandPaDeSade | Hey, if it works, you got something extra out of
| the CO Aria
~wrybrat~ | nope, we know you too well, Aria <s>
*Night Spirit* | ok so we do like flogged breasts with clamps <wg>
Aria (busy) | yes we do <G>
~nikki~ (busy) | I 'like' the clover clamps with a chain
| attached......then the chain being
~nikki~ (busy) | tugged....and tugged......and ..ohhhhhhHH!
Aria (busy) | at least you and I do it seems
night nurse | oh yes
~nikki~ (busy) | yes, NS
Master of Leisure | grinnin,,,,,
Aria (busy) | you know, i have never had clover clamps either
Lord Excalibur | then attach that chain to clit clamp nikki
mac | any one got there nipple pierced
Aria (busy) | <thinking about that one>
MoL's Katie J | yes, nikki .. I like that one too
~wrybrat~ | mui bigggg hurt, Aria..
Aria (busy) | <waving her hand> three weeks ago
night nurse | thinking about nipple piercing
night nurse | how did it feel Aria?
Aria (busy) | it was very painful <g> but I would do it again in
| a minute
GrandPaDeSade | I like to hold both nipples between my fingers,
| then squeeze, twist, roll and
GrandPaDeSade | pull them
~nikki~ (busy) | <pout> my chain ain't that long, Lord E
*Night Spirit* | ok had a clover clamp on my breasts and other side
| attached to another sub and
*Night Spirit* | then Masters separated us slowly
GrandPaDeSade | You can always get more chain nikki
mac | ive got mine done ggggood fun
Lord Excalibur | oh come on nikki, lets have some imagination here,
| add some chain <s>
*Night Spirit* | anyone here have pierced nipples?
~wrybrat~ | just get the Y thingie <g>
*Night Spirit* | and does nipple torture with it?
Lady WolfSpirit | <--sneaking out to find out how Hunter is doing.....
~nikki~ (busy) | LOL Okayy! <scribbing down shopping list>
Aria (busy) | I do Night Spirit
Lord Excalibur | lol
~nikki~ (busy) | Not nipples (yet) NS......but I have a few others!
| <g>
~wrybrat~ | I found it on the net, nik <g>
*Night Spirit* | ok Aria how does your nipple piercings fit in to
| torture..and is it better,
*Night Spirit* | worse or the same?
mac | ive got my pussy done
Aria (busy) | well since I just got them done, i won't find out
| til next weekend
*Night Spirit* | ok we expect a report <ggl>
Aria (busy) | you will get one... if i make it back to the
| conference on time <G>
~wrybrat~ | <ggl> will you be home by 7 on Sunday?
*Spartan* | A good evening to all.......
night nurse | doed nipple piercing require alot of care?
GrandPaDeSade | Don't do it too early Aria. I might cause them to
| migrate from what I've read.
*Night Spirit* | ok Lord E your hotseat time---why do you like
| breast bondage?
~nikki~ (busy) | I'll talk to you later, wry (re:website)
Aria (busy) | going to be driving so I am not sure
GrandPaDeSade | I=It
~nikki~ (busy) | Hiya Spartan, Sir <kotc>
Aria (busy) | its been a month
mac | i had no problem with mine
GrandPaDeSade | Oh, should be ok then.
Lord Excalibur | why do I, well I have this thing about breasts when
| they are bound ........
~wrybrat~ | <<wants "nether" piercings..
~nikki~ (busy) | The labia is much quicker to heal tho, mac.....IMX
*Spartan* | kisses nikki doll, NS, aria, kj, daisey, lil
| wry.............<s>
Aria (busy) | or it will be by then GrPa.... and lost said he
| would be careful to look at
Aria (busy) | them before we do anything with the nipples
Lord Excalibur | I like to see then neatly bound then add various
| items from there on
*Night Spirit* | licks oh sexy Greek God
*Spartan* | evening GPDS, MoL...............
GrandPaDeSade | Depends on the person nikki. I have heard others
| say the opposite.
~nikki~ (busy) | They are a real turn on, wry......
*Spartan* | :::::blushin:::::::::::
Master of Leisure | Evening,,,Spartan,,,,,,,good to see ya
mac | spartan what do you mean
~wrybrat~ | about November.. I think <g>
GrandPaDeSade | Evening spartan
*Night Spirit* | Lord E does the prep work and doing the actual
| torture best or the results
*Night Spirit* | looking at a job well done best?
Lord Excalibur | hi SPartan
~daisEy~ | <kisses> Spartan Sir
Lord Excalibur | both
*Spartan* | eveningLE.......
GrandPaDeSade | lost knows what he is doing.
~nikki~ (busy) | Really, GPDS? Mine healed within three weeks but
| my navl piercing is taking
~nikki~ (busy) | foreverrrrrr
Aria (busy) | hello Spartan
Lord Excalibur | I take a great deal of time preparing...........
night nurse | navel piercing takes a long time to heal
Aria (busy) | yes I know GrPa <g> or I wouldn't be going to play
| with him again <G>
Lord Excalibur | then leaving my sub for a while restrained and
| bound so I can admire my work
Lord Excalibur | <wg>
night nurse | have to keep everything from rubbing against it so
| it can heal quicker
GrandPaDeSade | But everyone I have talked to says navels take a
| long time.
GrandPaDeSade | My daughter's navel took 6 months to heal.
Lord Excalibur | navels can be quite bad at times
*Night Spirit* | Lord E tell us some of the art you have created
*Spartan* | tinas took a long time as well......<navel>
mac | my boyfriends got his cock pierced
Aria (busy) | mine didn't heal at all with the ring in... had to
| take it out was so
Aria (busy) | depressed...
*Spartan* | in the navy....oh my
Sarina V. | Evening all. Am I too late?
*Night Spirit* | mac please watch the language
Lord Excalibur | well........
*Night Spirit* | hiya Sarina :)
Sarina V. | Hey there NS.
Lord Excalibur | both breasts neatly bound, about two inches or more
Lord Excalibur | then clamps applied
mac | sorry ......
Lord Excalibur | these attached to chains
Sarina V. | Hello, GPDS, Spartan, KJ, everyone else!
Freda Love | hello
Lord Excalibur | then attached to labia or clit clamps
Master of Leisure | hello..sarina
*Spartan* | first time for tina , she had a larger ring than
| the second, a small ring
*Spartan* | healed much quicker I assume due to less friction
| as it kinda tucked into
*Spartan* | her......
*Night Spirit* | how long does this take from beginning to end Lord
| E?
Lord Excalibur | one done, a period of rest and then light to heavy
| flogging
*Spartan* | hello sarina
Aria (busy) | that makes sense Spartan
~nikki~ (busy) | So, can anyone answer my question........does
| breast bondage enhance TT play or
~nikki~ (busy) | it is merely for a visual effect?
GrandPaDeSade | Anyone else like to press inwards on the nipples,
| (in to the chest). Or does
GrandPaDeSade | anyone here like it?
mac | sorry about the language night spirote
Lord Excalibur | with all the biting touching licking kissing etc
| around an hour to a hour and
Lord Excalibur | half
*Night Spirit* | thanks mac :)
GrandPaDeSade | Hi there Sarina
*Night Spirit* | nikki that is really up to the person
*Spartan* | nikki , in our case, it is a wonderful addition to
| the entire
*Spartan* | scene.....................
Aria (busy) | for me, nikki, it enhances
night nurse | have not tried that GrandPa but sounds interesting!!
Sarina V. | I love torturing ian's nips.
Sarina V. | Women don't get all the fun!
MoL's Katie J | just tried it .. intense, Grandpa
*Night Spirit* | ok my favorite Greek God, your turn tell us about
| breast torture you have done
*Spartan* | GPDS, i press all the time.........
Lord Excalibur | mark this though NS the binding is not as tight as
| wen I just doing a bondage
Lord Excalibur | scene
~nikki~ (busy) | Yes, GPDS.......the end of a crop twisted down into
| the nipple then released
~nikki~ (busy) | quickly is quite a hot spot for me....
mac | night spirit where are you from
Master of Leisure | it is a good addition to the scene,,,nikki
GrandPaDeSade | True sarina
*Night Spirit* | and Sarina please inform us how you do male's subs
| nip torture?
*Night Spirit* | goof point Lord E
Aria (busy) | <<<<going for some head ache meds brb
Lord Excalibur | I do care you know
*Spartan* | well NS, most of it is with large nylon n cotton
| braided boat rope, 3/4 inch,
*Spartan* | mostly constrictive together, but it is all in the
| wrapping.....<s>
Master of Leisure | or the crop ..lilghtly tapped to the
| nipples..nikki,,,,,
*Night Spirit* | how do you do the wrapping Spartan?
~nikki~ (busy) | brb
*Spartan* | engorging the breasts allows for a sensitivity i
| cant match anyother way......
*Spartan* | once this way
mac | are you still there night spirite
*Spartan* | even light brush play can be tortureous
*Spartan* | <lookin for the f**kin dictionary>
*Spartan* | <now where did tina put it>....
GrandPaDeSade | NS?
night nurse | MMMMmmmm am learning alot tonight ..
Sarina V. | Spartan, do you use suction and/or clamps after
| binding?
*Night Spirit* | ok brush play has been mentioned, any ideas as to
| the type of brushes to be
*Night Spirit* | used on nips
*Night Spirit* | yes?
GrandPaDeSade | mac said something to you NS
mac | HALF INCH BRUSH
*Night Spirit* | oh Sarina good one.....suction <thinking of GrPa's
| snake bite kit>
*Spartan* | usually not sarina, i enjoy using an emory board to
| the nipples intermixed with
*Spartan* | brushes and
| feathers.........................................
*~tina~* | NS....I have a lovely blush brush that is
| huge....with a very long
*~tina~* | handle......feels so nice after a strenous breast T
| scen <s>
Lord Excalibur | use a camel hair brush first and then a small
| stippling brush
*~tina~* | excuse the typos
mac | GRANDPADESADE WHATS NS
night nurse | agree with you LE....smiling
*Night Spirit* | mac I am NS
GrandPaDeSade | NS = Night Spirit
Aria (busy) | mac, please don't do all caps, its very hard on the
| eyes
Aria (busy) | and people consider it to be yelling
mac | SORRY
MoL's Katie J | mac read your sends, please
MoL's Katie J | and the bottom of your window.
*Night Spirit* | anyone else here use suction on nipples?
*~tina~* | whats a stipling brush Lord?
~wrybrat~ | short really stiff bristles?
*Spartan* | <new topic>..........a form of suction we have used
| is mixed with some fire
*Spartan* | play, cupping.............<g>
Lord Excalibur | its a stiff brush use for textured decoration, ie
| plaster work
Aria (busy) | never tried the suction
mac | first time on the net...ns
*~tina~* | ohmy.....
*~tina~* | thanks Lord E
GrandPaDeSade | NS just loves me to give her hickeys on her breasts
| also. Preferably involving
GrandPaDeSade | lots of biting and chewing.
night nurse | well I once had a dry/wet vac used on mine
Lord Excalibur | pleasure
night nurse | lots of suction there!!!!!
Master of Leisure | glares at mac......
Aria (busy) | wow night nurse
*Night Spirit* | night nurse give us details
*~tina~* | lol...nurse.....ya never know what uses people can
| come with for ordinary
*~tina~* | items...<s>
Michael P. | evening folks
Ronster | hello
*Night Spirit* | Spartan details please
night nurse | it worked very well
Master of Leisure | evening,,,Michael
*Night Spirit* | greetings Michael
Aria (busy) | hello Michael
night nurse | better than anything i ever felt before
Michael P. | sitting quiet and catching up
Sarina V. | Just be careful with suction around newly pierced
Lord Excalibur | if you can find one now, they are a bit old, use a
| vacumm that has rotating
Lord Excalibur | brushes on the sweep head
night nurse | and the placement is so easy
Sarina V. | nipples.
Lord Excalibur | hello Michael
~nikki~ (busy) | <hunting out my vacuum>
mac | master of leisure what do you mean (glears)
americas_best97008 | hello
Michael P. | hi best
Master of Leisure | word to the wise,,,mac,,,,,,,better to watch and
| listen
Master of Leisure | and learn,,,,,,before you speak,,,here,,,,,,,ponder
| that
Master of Leisure | thought,,,mac
americas_best97008 | hi michell
*Night Spirit* | Sarina can you give us more details bout care of
| pierce nips?
night nurse | how about sticking pins in the breasts?
night nurse | has anyone tried that
Michael P. | love doing that, then hitting the pins with
| electricity
GrandPaDeSade | I think anything involving blood is a limit for
| Compuserve.
Michael P. | like making patterns too
Michael P. | so artistic
~nikki~ (busy) | I have done so on myself, night nurse.....but never
| had it doen *to* me...
mac | master....thanks for advice
Ellen | hi, all........
GrandPaDeSade | We need to drop that line to keep them happy.
Aria (busy) | hello Ellen
mac | hello ellen
Aria (busy) | understood GrPa <g>
Michael P. | don't do it often, have to really have trust to
| start sticking things into
Michael P. | people IMX, or through people
~nikki~ (busy) | <s> GPDS Fine by me, Sir
night nurse | yes GrandPa
Ellen | <snickering at GP>
GrandPaDeSade | Sorry, but that is one of their conditions.
Michael P. | works for me GP
*Spartan* | we gotta run for a bit....enjoy all....<s>..
night nurse | its ok..but it is fun<S>
GrandPaDeSade | No blood, water sports, or scat.
Michael P. | too messy anyway
Master of Leisure | cya,,,,Spartan,,,,,,,,,huggggs..tina,,,,,enjoy the
Master of Leisure | evening,,,you guys
*Night Spirit* | ok last thoughts on this topic, so far we know, let
| piercings heals first,
Aria (busy) | No bestiality either <G>
*Night Spirit* | clamps nips for about 15 minutes, bondage be
| careful not to cut off circulation
*Night Spirit* | too long, take time admire the work and how to wash
| ropes
GrandPaDeSade | True Aria
night nurse | bye Spartab
Michael P. | night Spartan, tina
*Night Spirit* | did I miss anything?
night nurse | oohhh typo
Michael P. | hiya NS hugs
~nikki~ (busy) | Bye Spartan & tina <hugs>
GrandPaDeSade | Bye Spartin
Aria (busy) | nope, think you got it all Night Spirit <G>
GrandPaDeSade | Bye tina
night nurse | bye tina
*Night Spirit* | hugs again Michael
Ellen | GP....I once ate lunch on a
Ellen | rock......just ouside the ruins of your
Ellen | castle.......<s>
*Night Spirit* | so we all agree we like breast torture
MoL's Katie J | yes, we like it <G>
americas_best97008 | bye
night nurse | very much soo
Michael P. | yep
GrandPaDeSade | Oh, how did you like it Ellen?
*Night Spirit* | any last words?
~nikki~ (busy) | Yes, we doooOOO, NS
Lord Excalibur | yes my dear of course <wg>
Master of Leisure | no opposition here,,NS...<s>
americas_best97008 | katie g sucks dont talk to her
GrandPaDeSade | Actually, my son's castle, the marquis.
Sarina V. | What's the topic next week, NS?
Aria (busy) | other than thank y ou for another interesting and
| informative Conference, no
Master of Leisure | kicks americas in the gonads.......cant say balls i
Master of Leisure | guess...<g>
*Night Spirit* | americas she is my little sister, and it is not
| nice to be nasty to folks on
*Night Spirit* | line
Michael P. | can I ask a question which might have been covered?
~nikki~ (busy) | Thanks GPDS, NS & Katie <s>
americas_best97008 | bye all
*Night Spirit* | Katie what's the topic next week?
MoL's Katie J | he's mad because I don't do age or sex checks <spit>
Master of Leisure | and she is my sub,,,americas,,hmmm...lets take
Master of Leisure | this to pc,,,,brb
GrandPaDeSade | Sure Michael
MoL's Katie J | let me look
mac | good night to( all) thankyou for letting me join in
mac | speak to you (all) tomorrow :) BYE
*Night Spirit* | sure Michael
*Night Spirit* | Night mac
Sarina V. | Michael, what's the question?
night nurse | very informative conference
GrandPaDeSade | night mac
Michael P. | what do the dominants feel when they see the look
| on the face of a submission
night nurse | thank to all
Michael P. | who is bound tightly, maybe having breathing
| restricted just enough to raise a
Michael P. | flush, when they see it isn't comfortable for them
| yet freely given
Michael P. | of a submissive that is
MoL's Katie J | Sunday Aug. 30
MoL's Katie J | Trust - Deserve or Earn It-
MoL's Katie J | A deep discussion on trust, do all doms trust or do
| they have to earn it?
night nurse | good topic Katie
Aria (busy) | <nodding>
Michael P. | is that going to be a two way street Katie?
Aria (busy) | i agree
*Night Spirit* | oh one of my favorite topics, sis my computer
| passed away can you send the list
*Night Spirit* | to me
MoL's Katie J | sure, NS!
Michael P. | I mean, do dom's trust subs etc, or just subs
| trusting dom's
Aria (busy) | going to go look at Gypsy Moon
MoL's Katie J | Trust is always a two way street, Michael
*Night Spirit* | good point Michael :)
Aria (busy) | see you all later <G>
MoL's Katie J | hugs, Aria
mac | will you all be back at the same time tomorrow
Sarina V. | Perhaps you should repost it, Katie.
Michael P. | so I hear Katie, but not always I'm sure
~nikki~ (busy) | Bye Aria <s>
GrandPaDeSade | I enjoy the look and the feedback from a
| submissive. But i also want them tio
GrandPaDeSade | get the most they can out of it. So I will attepmt
| to get them as far along the
GrandPaDeSade | road of pleasure as possible. That gives me
| pleasure.
Michael P. | bye Ariea
MoL's Katie J | thanks for coming everyone!
*Night Spirit* | no mac next Sunday
Master of Leisure | bye,,aria,,,<s>
~nikki~ (busy) | <sigh>
MoL's Katie J | yes, I can do that for sure
Sarina V. | We could also put it on hold so it doesn't scroll
| for awhile.
night nurse | bye aria
Aria (busy) | whats the matter nikki?
MoL's Katie J | easy enough to do Sarina :)
Michael P. | same here GP
~nikki~ (busy) | Nothing, Aria <s>
~wrybrat~ | a q for the Doms.. is it just her pleasure?
Michael P. | and to see things which are difficult taken and
| given is quite a nonverbal
Michael P. | communication
Lord Excalibur | I would agree with that GPDS (lagging again)
GrandPaDeSade | No, it's mutual pleasure.
Michael P. | not for me wry, I get great pleasure and a sort of
| security from seeing it
Michael P. | accepted
mac | speak to you next sunday......NS
GrandPaDeSade | But we get pleasure out of seeing you happy.
Master of Leisure | Nnope..wry,,it is mutual
Michael P. | ditto GP
MoL's Katie J | we look forward to seeing you join us, mac
GrandPaDeSade | You are welcome any time mac
Master of Leisure | welcome back ,,,,anytime,,mac.....good way to learn
*Night Spirit* | wry as all things he is happy when I am, I am happy
| when he is. We always try
*Night Spirit* | to reach our goal together
Lord Excalibur | I get pleasure from seeing my sub happy and she
| gets pleasure form seeingme
Lord Excalibur | happy, I think thats been said in a more condensed
| manner
Michael P. | bye mac
~wrybrat~ | it's her total submission to the situation that
| moves you?
Michael P. | actually wry I'm quite amazed and moved by true
| submission
Sarina V. | The only thing I don't want to see is honest fear,
| Michael.
Sarina V. | ian takes quite a bit of pain, but if he ever gets
| a fearful
Sarina V. | look on his face, then I know I'm going over his
| limits.
Michael P. | especially when the act of it isn't something easy
~wrybrat~ | <s>
mac | thanks..master
night nurse | trust is a big issue
GrandPaDeSade | Both her submission, the fact that she is willing
| to take what I do to make me
GrandPaDeSade | happy, the fact that it makes her happy, and the
| fact that we can enjoy it
GrandPaDeSade | together.
night nurse | it is the base of the relationship
Michael P. | good point Sarina, fear is not an erotic emotion
| unless it is well thought out,
Michael P. | and mutually acceptible
~nikki~ (busy) | Yes, GPDS <s>
~wrybrat~ | I think that fear is a very good topic, NS
Lord Excalibur | very true night nurse
Sarina V. | Yes, fear play is totally different.
mac | signing off BY
Michael P. | fear for the sake of it isn't even sadistic IMHO,
| it is abuse and abuse has no
Michael P. | place here
*Night Spirit* | wry I shall add it to the list :)
Sarina V. | I'm talking about a time when it shouldn't be
| fearful.
GrandPaDeSade | Depends, some submissives like terror play
Lord Excalibur | agree with Michael P
night nurse | agree also with Michael P
Michael P. | Sarina, I've seen marie get into a space in
| situation where we'd been before,
Michael P. | it was great before, but that day, for whatever
| reason the signs weren't right
Sarina V. | GP, I think we all mean when you're on the edge of
| trust.
Michael P. | the fear I saw in her eyes wasn't of me
GrandPaDeSade | And what if the submissive requests it?
Michael P. | it was of not pleasing me in something I'd been
| able to do before
GrandPaDeSade | Then i would agree Sarina
Michael P. | same rules applied
Michael P. | stop, cuddle talke
Michael P. | fear isn't just of the action, it can be of not
| being able to do the action
night nurse | the Master should know his submissive so
| well...that should be able to tell
night nurse | when she is reaching her limit...or to know when to
| slow down
Sarina V. | Yes, and one of ian's biggest fears is of someday
| being
Sarina V. | released. After 7 months, he still doesn't believe
| this is
Sarina V. | permanent in my book.
GrandPaDeSade | Actually, in many cases NS feels free to be
| terrified by what I'm threatening
GrandPaDeSade | simply because somewhere deep inside she knows she
| is safe with me.
americas_best97008 | MASTER OF LEE IS FUCKING SHIT
Michael P. | exactly nn, and the sub must communicate to the
| dom, but the communication
Michael P. | doesn't always require words, and it shouldn't just
| be words. The dom holds
Michael P. | responsibility to protect
americas_best97008 | SHES A SLUTE
Sarina V. | If I joke about it too often, he gets skittish
| about other
Sarina V. | play. You have to go real slowly when they get in
| bad
Sarina V. | headspace like that.
GrandPaDeSade | Sarina, NS has been with me three years, and we are
| getting married, and she
GrandPaDeSade | still has that fear.
Michael P. | excellent point, and that is erotic fear play
night nurse | yes Michael P..the communication should be clear
Aria (busy) | That I think is key Michael, the Dom ultimately
| holds the key for being
Aria (busy) | responsible for the play
Aria (busy) | he should be totally in control of the situation
Michael P. | yes Aria, and the sub the responsibility of
| communicating her fears, being
Michael P. | honest
night nurse | and the Master should know himself well enough also
Michael P. | in words and expression
Aria (busy) | sometimes you can't at the time
Michael P. | and a sub should never fear she has failed if she
| can't do something
Lord Excalibur | true Michael, I have know subs agree just because
| they think they should
Michael P. | as have I LE
Sarina V. | All, my system is really slow here tonight and has
| already
Sarina V. | locked up once. I'm gonna go work on it some more
Sarina V. | (recovering from a beta disaster).
~nikki~ (busy) | Miscommumicaton happens though.......
night nurse | i am willing to try lots of new things
MoL's Katie J | thanks for joining us, Sarina <S>
Aria (busy) | sometimes you are too far gone... and many many
| many dominants (note the lower
Aria (busy) | case) think that they can coerce and manipulate by
| intimidation
~nikki~ (busy) | Bye Sarina <kotc>
night nurse | but if it is not enjoyable for either of us or both
| ,,then it is discussed
Aria (busy) | because they want something
Michael P. | bye Sarina
Master of Leisure | nite,,Sarina
Aria (busy) | somethings don't get discussed night nurse
Lord Excalibur | that is the right way night nurse
Lord Excalibur | bye Sarina
Aria (busy) | not til after...
Michael P. | the magic cure for all nn, communication
GrandPaDeSade | That is one of the hardest things to convince some
| submissives of. That it's ok
GrandPaDeSade | to safeword. Ok to say you've reached a limit. That
| they WON'T please me by
GrandPaDeSade | going too far.
night nurse | yes Michael P
Sarina V. | ian keeps a journal for me to read in which he
| writes
Sarina V. | down things on his mind while he's at work or while
| I'm
Sarina V. | at work...I read it when I have time to keep a
| pulse on his
Sarina V. | frame of mind.
GrandPaDeSade | Bye Sarina
~nikki~ (busy) | There you go, NS......another topic?
| Communication???
night nurse | the base from which you should build
Aria (busy) | no, the magic cure is, safe, sane, consensual, and
| that means being in control
Aria (busy) | of yourself, totally.... from beginning to end of
| the scene
Michael P. | that is often the case Aria, and most of the time
| it works, but I feel when
Michael P. | partners have been together a long time the
| instances of having to learn after
Michael P. | the fact diminish
*Night Spirit* | mikki will add it to the list
Aria (busy) | that is only true when you live together day to day
| and you learn each others
Aria (busy) | nuances
~nikki~ (busy) | Thanks, NS.....I look forward to it. <s>
Sarina V. | Night nikki, GP, KatieJ! See you around!
Michael P. | nonverbal and verbel communication are great, but
| real knowledge based on real
Michael P. | intimacy, true opening of the mind, body and soul
| make even the most subtle
Michael P. | sign a scream
Aria (busy) | distance and lack of real time and face to face
| communication can change many
Aria (busy) | things, just ask partners who travel
Aria (busy) | how things get distraught and crazy from
| misunderstandings
night nurse | Michael P..spoken very well
GrandPaDeSade | Bye all.
Lord Excalibur | exactly Michael, the full knowledge of the sub,
| mentally as well as physically
~nikki~ (busy) | Bye GPDS <kotc>
~wrybrat~ | thanks everyone.. I cherish these times of sharing..
Aria (busy) | i would, not humbly at all, disagree... if you
| don't live with the person, you
Aria (busy) | can NOT know them fully
Michael P. | I do that with marie all the time Aria, and there
| is a necessity for the first
Michael P. | few hours to learn again
Aria (busy) | first few hours?
Aria (busy) | i see, you are a mind reader after that, eh?
GrandPaDeSade | Aria, even if you do, you can't know them fully.
GrandPaDeSade | Just better.
Lord Excalibur | it can be so Aria
Michael P. | and a recent wonderful experience with someone else
| required going slow at
Michael P. | first and learning if what was said with words
| translated to what was real in
Michael P. | person
Aria (busy) | thats right GrandPa... y ou can't and to think that
| you can, that you can have
Aria (busy) | this wonderful world of magical connection with out
| that, when you are hampered
Aria (busy) | by distance is nuts
Michael P. | no I'm not a mind reader, I'm the dom that has been
| with her before and often,
Michael P. | the one paying attention, the one that loves her
| and the one that knows her
Aria (busy) | I see <will keep opinions that are less than
| flattering to myself>
Michael P. | landmines can happen at any moment and only a fool
| would stop paying attention
Lord Excalibur | I will remain quite on that point
night nurse | smiling at Michael P.. and Master of Leisure
| ....respect them for taking the
night nurse | time to investigate their subs completely
Aria (busy) | wonderful to know that you can know yourself that
| well and someone else as well
night nurse | and Lord Excalibur
Michael P. | I don't see the relevance of that remark Aria, but
| whatever
Aria (busy) | night nurse, it really doesn't sound like that is
| what Michael is doing at all
~nikki~ (busy) | <<--- is still seeking the *me* I need to know....
Michael P. | it isn't a matter of knowing you can, it is a
| matter of making yourself do it
Aria (busy) | you don't see the relevance of that remark?
GrandPaDeSade | I am a hypnotherapist. I have spent many hours
| inside Night Spirits mind with
GrandPaDeSade | her. On the otherside of those protective gates of
| consciousness. Yet, the more
GrandPaDeSade | I learn about her, the more I still have to learn.
Michael P. | not thinking about what pleases me while letting
| another do what pleases me
Michael P. | exactly GP, the well is deep
Master of Leisure | smiles at night nurse......knowing your sub
Aria (busy) | thank you GrandPa... to think that you can know
| someone, and not be that
Aria (busy) | intimate with them, takes a great deal of gall
Lord Excalibur | I believe you constantly learn, about yourself and
| your partner
Master of Leisure | emotionally, psychollogically, mentally and yes
Master of Leisure | physically take a lot of time,,night nurse.....and
| it is a
Master of Leisure | pleasure to know kaite
GrandPaDeSade | It makes me aware of how little one can really know
| about another.
night nurse | pleasure and pain should be mutual
~nikki~ (busy) | GPDS.......can you/do you use hyponotherapy in
| scene???
night nurse | satisfuying both mutually
Michael P. | who said that you could Aria, perhaps I missed
| something and don't want to
Michael P. | misinterpret
night nurse | this is not a one sided relationship
Aria (busy) | you seem to continue to imply that Michael, over
| and over again
Michael P. | never nn
Master of Leisure | it is very mutual,,,,nn......
GrandPaDeSade | nikki, some do, I won't. I do do some wonderful
| giuded dreams though. Very
Michael P. | I don't see that Aria, quite the opposite is what
| I've been saying, but you are
GrandPaDeSade | vivid. NS has been sold into slavery, and many
| other things.
Michael P. | certainly entitled to put your spin on it
Michael P. | (S)
Lord Excalibur | has to be in my mind
m&m | hello all
Michael P. | hi m&m
night nurse | trust, communication, and caring along with all the
| others make the
night nurse | relationship grow,, open...
Michael P. | ditto nn
*Night Spirit* | we love to do guided dreams real erotic
Aria (busy) | Michael, can I restate what you have said, or are
| you busy and need to get
Aria (busy) | somewhere else?
Michael P. | absoluletly, there is no excuse for anything other
| than that
Michael P. | I'm fine here right now Aria, please help me to
| understand where you
Michael P. | misunderstood my thoughts
Lord Excalibur | LA and I do the same NS
m&m | anyone wanna chat hit 666
GrandPaDeSade | Past life regressions are also interesting for many
| submissives.
~nikki~ (busy) | Really GPDS??? Yikes! You should hear some of my
| dreams......
Master of Leisure | very true,,nn
night nurse | I would not be with anyone Master who did not take
| the time to get to know me
night nurse | my desires
night nurse | my pleasures
night nurse | my dreams
night nurse | my thoughts
Michael P. | your fears, history, needs
Michael P. | and limits
night nurse | yes exactly Michael P
~nikki~ (busy) | That can be quite difficult online tho, night
| nurse...
night nurse | and in him knowing me I must also get to know the
| same of him
*Night Spirit* | nikki and Lord E I have this vampire thing, he
| makes me see him as one,
*Night Spirit* | beleiving it, feeling it it is hot hot hot
Lord Excalibur | before taking on any sub I would need to know all
| if not some of all you are
Lord Excalibur | saying nn and Michael
night nurse | not if you are asked the right questions
GrandPaDeSade | nikki, hypnosis can make it so real I have to give
| precautions to the mind that
GrandPaDeSade | it IS only a dream, and the body should not react
| to any of it with shock.
Master of Leisure | you should not,,nn......you should have a Dom that
Master of Leisure | cares as much for you,,,as you care for him..
Michael P. | if he is honest with you that should happen nn
night nurse | revealling your inner most thoughts..experiences,,
| past.
Lord Excalibur | I have heard you mention it before NS
Michael P. | well said MoL
Lord Excalibur | totally agree MoL
Master of Leisure | nods at his friend,,Michael
Master of Leisure | and LE
night nurse | that is the relationship i have
GrandPaDeSade | It is NOT something to play with unless you know
| what you are doing.
Master of Leisure | good nite,,,,,everyone,,,,,good session,,,,,time for
Master of Leisure | dinner
Lord Excalibur | goodnight MoL
Dorene J. Everett | hello
Michael P. | thought so from the insight you shared nn
Michael P. | night and shakes MoL
~nikki~ (busy) | I have only been hypotised once......but is didn't
| help me stop smoking <sigh>
~nikki~ (busy) | I was put under and made to eat an onion
| tho....ugh!!
GrandPaDeSade | Night MOL
Michael P. | hello Dorne
*Night Spirit* | I am also off hugs and licks all
night nurse | smiling
Michael P. | Dorene (s)
********** 8/23/98 6:31 PM End logging Silken Ties.