Poly Relationships

********** 5/3/98  5:00 PM Begin logging Sub Pub - D/s.
     Lady WolfSpirit | <kisses Elder>..i missed you today
      fit to be tied | huggggsss ltr....<g>... how are you love?
          lost sutra | big huggs & kisses NS
           Eldersign | I missed me, too...but the couch didn't/.
*Night Spirit [HOST] | <--walks in waving to the lovely folks :)
      lost toy robot | okay, fit...you?
           Eldersign | :grins:
     Lady WolfSpirit | lol
      lost toy robot | hello NS!!!
           Eldersign | :hugs NS:
             wry告lk | hugggggs NS :-)
           nightmyst | Hello, Elder, Sir.. and LWS.
      fit to be tied | doing well today.... <g>... i seem to live day to 
                     | day right now <wink>
   Master of Leisure | winks at NS as he walks into the room and
   Master of Leisure | sits down in his black, leather
   Master of Leisure | chair....hugggs darlin
*Night Spirit [HOST] | hugs hugs to sutra, toy and that sexy Elderguy
     Lady WolfSpirit | <pours Elder and herself a cup of coffee>
     Lady WolfSpirit | hello nightmyst
      lost toy robot | i know how that is, fit.....
                effy | [waves to NS]
           Eldersign | :chuckles: NS...I love you.
*Night Spirit [HOST] | hugs to you MoL you are so cute in that chair--look 
                     | good in leather
           Eldersign | Hugs, Nightmyst.
     Lady WolfSpirit | <leans back against Elder and 
                     | relaxes....flinching...forgot about her
     Lady WolfSpirit | sunburn>...ouch!!!!
       Lady Rapunzel | <mutters> He'd look better in chains
   Master of Leisure | winks back at NS....<S>
           nightmyst | hugs, Sir
      fit to be tied | <snicker>
           Eldersign | :places Nightmyst safely at his feet:
          lost sutra | <giggling at thought of MOL in chains>
      lost toy robot | sutra?  think he got lost? <giggling>
          lost sutra | <respectively of course>
          lost sutra | lol, toy
   Master of Leisure | no....Lady R..you would look good in CHAINS
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Lost got lost again?
       Lady Rapunzel | <laughs>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | <--spent one night being chained to GrPa--kinda 
                     | liked it
           nightmyst | <sits quietly, watching>
      lost toy robot | <deep curtsy> it would appear so, GrPa, Sir...
   Master of Leisure | I have the chains,,,,hon....<eg>
       Lady Rapunzel | <- *has* someone to chain her, thank you MoL ;)
   Master of Leisure | yep..I know..darlin.....<g>
      lost toy robot | oops....hi, btw....<laffin>
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | From Lady R's attitude and knowlege, I suspect she 
                     | would look good in anything.
   Master of Leisure | hmmm.....filet oscar.....toy......wink
      lost toy robot | MoL!!!!!! geeeeeeeeeeeeez
     Lady WolfSpirit | <smiles>...hello GrPa
   Master of Leisure | good to see you..GPDS
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Greetings Lady WolfSpirit
       Lady Rapunzel | <laughs> GrPa.. that's not knowledge.. I just have 
                     | lots of books to hand ;)
*Night Spirit [HOST] | ok a couple more seconds of group grope then I hope 
                     | to begin
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Hello MOL
             wry告lk | <sitting invisible>
       Lady Rapunzel | <- has a PhD in bluffing
     Lady WolfSpirit | lol LR
   Master of Leisure | hands wry a hershey kiss......smiles
          lost sutra | you mean we have to stop groping NS??? <pout>
       Lady Rapunzel | But okay, okay, I *do* have an attitude
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Oh come on NS, we like the group grope
       MoL's Katie J | and a charming one too, Lady Rap
       MoL's Katie J | <s>
       Lady Rapunzel | <smile> Katie
*Night Spirit [HOST] | sutra you can not grope and type at the same time
     Lady WolfSpirit | <freshens Elder's coffe and pours a cup for 
                     | nightmyst...lights a cig for Elder>
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Hi Katie
          lost sutra | i can try, NS
*Night Spirit [HOST] | theres the special lady of the hour
      lost toy robot | LOL....if there's a way, NS..sutra will find it
      fit to be tied | huggggerssss KJ
           Eldersign | :takes ciggie, and draws, deeply:
           nightmyst | <smiles warmly and accepts the cup> thank you, Ma'am
     Lady WolfSpirit | <smiles>
       MoL's Katie J | hiya GrandPa
       MoL's Katie J | hugggggggs, fit
       Lady Rapunzel | May I make my announcement now, NS?
     Lady WolfSpirit | you are welcome nightmyst
*Night Spirit [HOST] | yes Lady R you sure can
       Lady Rapunzel | Just a reminder, please... get me those avatars! 
                     | Otherwise there won't *be* a picture <smile> Thanks.
       MoL's Katie J | hugs and kisses around the room <s>
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Yes Lady r
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Sorry about the lower Case R l Lady R
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Ladies and Gentlemen welcome to the weekly sub pub 
                     | CO--today in a sort of
*Night Spirit [HOST] | continuing of last week--we are gonna discuss poly 
                     | realtionships
       Lady Rapunzel | ;) GrPa.. I don't mind.. not if it's you
*Night Spirit [HOST] | lucky for us we have 2 of the lost family here
     Lady WolfSpirit | <leans back against Elder trying to get comfy>
      lost toy robot | <giggling>  appears lost is....well....lost
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Poor lost lost
   Master of Leisure | hmmm.....chocolate mouse with raspberry
   Master of Leisure | sauce and white chocolate shavings
*Night Spirit [HOST] | I hope to also cover how to do a poly realtionship 
                     | and bi sexual and switching
      lost toy robot | :-P MoL
*Night Spirit [HOST] | lost is always lost <wink>
       Lady Rapunzel | Oh MoL, *stop* thinking about your stomach!
   Master of Leisure | chuckling
           Eldersign | MoL...you're a hedonist.
           Eldersign | :grin:
     Lady WolfSpirit | <perks>..switching??...<BG>
       Lady Rapunzel | <laughs>
   Master of Leisure | ROFL....
         Erek & kisa | <Slips in quietly, waves to all and settles into 
                     | comfy chair, kisa at his feet>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | yep Switching, poly, bisexual and how to have fun 
                     | with more then 2
       MoL's Katie J | <climbing into Master's lap, and snuggling to his 
                     | stomach>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | hugs to kisa and Erek--always lovely seeing you here
         Erek & kisa | (((NS)))
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Lday WS how about you starting us :)
   Master of Leisure | laying her head on my shoulder.....and
   Master of Leisure | bruishing her hair bak from her face
*Night Spirit [HOST] | make that Lady WS
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Just a short ad. tell everyone you think might be 
                     | interested about this
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | discussion everyone. The more the better, Maybe we 
                     | can expand to two a week.
     Lady WolfSpirit | starting what??
*Night Spirit [HOST] | you are a switch--how do you Domme to one and sub 
                     | to another?
     Lady WolfSpirit | <mumbling...hell...didnt bring any darn notes or 
                     | anything>
       Lady Rapunzel | <laughing>
     Lady WolfSpirit | uummm...very carefully??
      fit to be tied | <giggle>
     Lady WolfSpirit | <BG>
      fit to be tied | lol
   Master of Leisure | notes....you dont need no stinkin
   Master of Leisure | notes.LWS.....chucklin
     Lady WolfSpirit | seriously....
     Lady WolfSpirit | it is not easy
       Beorn & suchy | Greetings Playmates  <S>
   Master of Leisure | hugggs..suchie,,,,,,and shakes......Beorn
       MoL's Katie J | Why is it not easy, Lady WS?
       MoL's Katie J | What do you find difficult?
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Hello Beorn & suchy
     Lady WolfSpirit | i am naturally Domme, so being Domme is not a 
                     | problem...it is being sub that i
     Lady WolfSpirit | am still having a problem with...<BG>
       Beorn & suchy | Shakes MoL <S> hugggs ..   GPDS  <S>
     Lady WolfSpirit | i find it hard not to disobey
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Lady WS how many subs do you have?
       MoL's Katie J | That is more of a bother than splitting your 
                     | affections?
           Eldersign | :whistles casually:
     Lady WolfSpirit | i have a tendency to rebel...
     Lady WolfSpirit | i have one NS
     Lady WolfSpirit | <smiles at Elder>
     Lady WolfSpirit | true Katie
*Night Spirit [HOST] | rebelling in a Switch I think is normal
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Lady WS, that's one of the reasons I don't even try 
                     | to sub. I'd do the opposite
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | just because I was told to do something.
     Lady WolfSpirit | <smiles at NS>...well, then its nice to know im 
                     | normal??
      lost toy robot | <smiles at lost> welcome, Sir...
          lost sutra | <running to master's left leg>
     Lady WolfSpirit | lol GrPa...exactly
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Lady WS I always thought you were :)
          lost sutra | glad you could join us, sir
      lost toy robot | <running to his right leg>
         lostonearth | cserve didn't want to let me in    sorry to be late
     Lady WolfSpirit | but as far as dividing my affections...i dont find 
                     | that hard at all
           Eldersign | Evening, lost. :)
*Night Spirit [HOST] | loston earth as always I am tickled to seeya
       MoL's Katie J | We were talking about the difficulties inherent in 
                     | multiple relationships,
       MoL's Katie J | lost, Sir.
         lostonearth | good evening, night spirit  (s)   hugs
         Erek & kisa | <Kisa> <<Sometimes a common problem with switches 
                     | that, not always easy to obey - so I don't do so 
                     | for anyone except Erek>>
       MoL's Katie J | just to bring you up to where we are in the 
                     | conversation <s>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | ok shifting--lostonearth, sutra and toy how do you 
                     | do the poly thing?
     Lady WolfSpirit | my main goal is to make sure that Elder is loved 
                     | and pleased and happy....my
     Lady WolfSpirit | sub comes second to that
          lost sutra | lots of communication...honest communication
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Better watch it lost, your family may think they 
                     | are free if you keep missing
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | this.
         Erek & kisa | <<And sometimes even we have some set tos over 
                     | whose driving this bus>>
         lostonearth | shakes, friend grpa  (g)
         lostonearth | my most prized possessions free? never  (s)
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | shakes lost
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Kisa are you and Erek both switches?
            kara (C) | hi everybody, sorry i'm late
   Master of Leisure | explain your communication.......sutra,
   Master of Leisure | toy,,,,lost
          lost sutra | if i may, lost sir?
         lostonearth | (letting toy robot and sutra begin)
         Erek & kisa | NS - No, I (Erek) am only Dom, kisa is bi=switch 
                     | and tends to Dom only fems
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Sounds like NS and I Erek & kisa
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Erek and kisa do you both double dom...dom others 
                     | together?
          lost sutra | if there is anything bothering any member of the 
                     | 'family' it should be talked about, rationaly
          lost sutra | and openly and a mutual decision on how to handle 
                     | it should be reached, that all three
          lost sutra | agree upon......after discussing each members views 
                     | & the pros & cons of the decision
     Lady WolfSpirit | also sounds like Elder and I
         Erek & kisa | <<No>> Not really
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Except that she likes to dom men too.
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Double domming is fun
*Night Spirit [HOST] | so sutra for your the family it is all 3 must agree?
      lost toy robot | we have used this way of communicating....since I 
                     | joined the family...and it
      lost toy robot | has created a warm...loving situation for all of 
                     | us....
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | What if they disagree sutra?
          lost sutra | yes, NS
   Master of Leisure | what if the three of you do not agree on the
   Master of Leisure | thing that you are discussing...sutra
          lost sutra | otherwise one is left out
       MoL's Katie J | <great Doms think alike>
       Lady Rapunzel | <subs seldom differ>
       Beorn & suchy | ( only sometimes, Katie .. ) <S>
          lost sutra | then we need to find out why & tackle or disect the 
                     | issue until if becomes a non-issue
         lostonearth | there must be agreement
*Night Spirit [HOST] | ok here is a thought---sutra, toy and lost go to 
                     | the movies, 2 of you want to
*Night Spirit [HOST] | see Titanic the other wants to see City of 
                     | Angels--how do you solve this?
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | <Bowing deeply> Thank you Katie <Hitting head on 
                     | floor>
     !PK's~crickett~ | made it folks <s>
             Painter | walks in waves....watches...<s>
       MoL's Katie J | <uploading ice to GPDS>
           Eldersign | (What does lost want to see?)
          lost sutra | lost goes to City of Angels & toy & sutra go to 
                     | titanic
          lost sutra | <s>
           Excite Me | Good evening everyone
   Master of Leisure | ice >>PERK
       Erek&<kisaE>  | ((Putting rest of answer on hold while others talk, 
                     | is something to come back to tho))
     Lady WolfSpirit | lol Elder
      lost toy robot | <giggling>  i will see whatever lost wants to 
                     | see....
           Eldersign | :chuckle:
     Lady WolfSpirit | my thought
      lost toy robot | <laffin @ sutra....>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | interesting
      lost toy robot | chick movie hon?
          lost sutra | er, um   ....... what sis said (right sir?)
         lostonearth | but there will be no discussion on "godzilla"
         lostonearth | (sometimes being the dominant one has benefits (g))
     Lady WolfSpirit | rofl
     !PK's~crickett~ | lol
           Eldersign | rofl
   Master of Leisure | lafffin...
      fit to be tied | LOL
*Night Spirit [HOST] | lost why not take me to see it, it opens on my 
                     | birthday <wink>
   Master of Leisure | godzilla is great....
             Painter | mmmHe breathes..fire...like some<smile>
          lost sutra | godzilla is a must see.....
          lost sutra | no discussion needed
      lost toy robot | <S> agreed
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | what if sutra and robot badly wanted to see  movie 
                     | you thought you would hate
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | lost, and they wanted you to go too.
*Night Spirit [HOST] | ok sutra and toy and lost--how is housework broken 
                     | up?
     Lady WolfSpirit | <--would rather go see Barney the purple dinasour 
                     | live than sit through godzilla
      lost toy robot | <quiets at this question>
          lost sutra | lost moves his feet when the vacuum goes by the 
                     | couch
         lostonearth | we will be taking a hint from grpa on that one, ns  
                     | (s)
            kara (C) | lol
             wry告lk | lol sutra
      lost toy robot | lol sis
      lost toy robot | that is...if he has the remote? <S>
       Erek&<kisaE>  | LWS - Shoot Barney, feed 'em to GACKzilla <g>
          lost sutra | ahhh sis, he ALWAYS has the remote
       MoL's Katie J | but really, you manage to reach a consensus on 
                     | everything?  one way or another?
     Lady WolfSpirit | lol
*Night Spirit [HOST] | anyone else here had a poly experience?
         lostonearth | we try, katie
          lost sutra | you have to Katie........to many emotions come into 
                     | play otherwise
       Erek&<kisaE>  | Yes - both together and in previous relationships
       MoL's Katie J | <s>
       Lady Rapunzel | I would like to ask something of the lost family, 
                     | if I may?
       Beorn & suchy | ? now maybe i am very weird ... I am not too sure 
                     | anymore ... But exactly What
       Beorn & suchy | is the discussion ?  I dont want to stub my toe ..
*Night Spirit [HOST] | <--thinking no matter what lostonearth is the boss 
                     | <and is so damn sexy>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | please Lady R
       Lady Rapunzel | Who joined last?
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | I suspect you can't always agree on everything. But 
                     | you can agree to let the
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | others have their way at times.
      lost toy robot | <agrees with NS about the sexy
      lost toy robot | that would be me, Lady Rap
             Painter | mmmactually I did one time for awhile...before I 
                     | knew It was Dom/sub<s>
          lost sutra | yes, GRPA
       Lady Rapunzel | How did you feel about toy joining, sutra?
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Beorn and such--the discussion is poly realtionship 
                     | 3 or more
   Master of Leisure | communication has to be the
   Master of Leisure | key,,,,here...eveything must be open to all.....
             wry告lk | sutra.. how do you feel with toy being called the 
                     | "special one"?
          lost sutra | i think it is wonderful, Lady Rap
       Beorn & suchy | Thank You , NS <S>
         lostonearth | may i take a bit of screen time here?
       Lady Rapunzel | Did you think that straight away, sutra?
          lost sutra | it (if i may quote my sister) just feels right
             Painter | two sisters...err who ...liked me was 18...
         lostonearth | sutra is the dear one, wry
*Night Spirit [HOST] | please lostonearth--go for it
             wry告lk | <s>
      fit to be tied | <tiptoeing back in dusting off her butt>
             Painter | so I took both of them they liked it I did too..
           Eldersign | <= Dated the Kovacevic twins in high school...one 
                     | had a
           Eldersign | birthmark...er...
         lostonearth | as some of you may know, i have two sides of my
         lostonearth | dominant self
       Erek&<kisaE>  | <tossing cyberline to fit, hoping our own seatbelts 
                     | hold>
         lostonearth | one is laid back and one is "hard"
      fit to be tied | thanks Erek and kisa...<G>
             Painter | was natural as hell  we didnt even know it was 
                     | wrong<g>
     Lady WolfSpirit | <smiles at Elder>
         lostonearth | it is near imposssible to find one submissive who 
                     | can
         lostonearth | fulfill both sides
     !PK's~crickett~ | <listening>
         lostonearth | sutra has been in my life for a while now and 
                     | fulfills the
         lostonearth | hard side
             Painter | at 18 I guess. is different from this but similar...
     Lady WolfSpirit | <tells Painter to ssshhhhhh>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | lost does sutra or toy ever dom the other?
          lost sutra | <snuggling against master's left side.....listening 
                     | intently>
         lostonearth | one who serves in that way can easily find 
                     | themselves
         lostonearth | feeling that they are nothing more than a whipping 
                     | post
         lostonearth | not yet, ns
       Erek&<kisaE>  | lost - Hmmm, but don't the subs also cycle thru 
                     | levels of needing harder & softer???
         lostonearth | sutra knows/feels she needs a sister to support her
         lostonearth | when i am being extra sadistic/hard.......
             Painter | LWS...someone make you queen dear?
   Master of Leisure | in your case,,,lost.....toy would be the one
   Master of Leisure | who takes care of your soft side, but she is
   Master of Leisure | also in training for the hard side....
       Lady Rapunzel | Yes, but I think only within the specific 
                     | requirements they have for the way they need a Dom 
                     | to be... am I right, lost?
     Lady WolfSpirit | just trying to listen to an actual conversation 
                     | Painter..not babble hon...<s>
         lostonearth | to some extent, mol
             Painter | <smile> I see..
         lostonearth | they both have different natures on how to serve
*Night Spirit [HOST] | I love it when GrPa is going at it hard and I hold 
                     | someone else..but sadly most
             Painter | the babble..
*Night Spirit [HOST] | folks I play with want to submit to me not with me
       MoL's Katie J | I appreciate your input, Painter.
      lost toy robot | no, MoL, sir....i have been there..and never wish 
                     | to return....i will always be
      lost toy robot | a gentle sub ....
             wry告lk | <smiling at toy>
         lostonearth | we tried with river, but as many of you know, that 
                     | did not
         lostonearth | work out
   Master of Leisure | brb
          lost sutra | <hugging toy>
      lost toy robot | <hugging sutra.....>
         lostonearth | i was led to believe, by her, that she was the one
*Night Spirit [HOST] | lost we all hope to find the right person<s> 
                     | sometimes we do sometimes we don't
         lostonearth | for some time now, i have been looking for someone
         lostonearth | who i can relate to and who can also accept sutra 
                     | as a
         lostonearth | sister
       Erek&<kisaE>  | lost - asking again as question seems lost in scrol 
                     | but don't the subs also cycle thru levels of 
                     | needing harder & softer?
       MoL's Katie J | as do the Doms, Erek?
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | It's hard to find the right someone for that lost
         fantasy man | hello there, a/s?
       Lady Rapunzel | Only within the bounds of what they specifically 
                     | require from a Dom, I think, Erek. IMHO
         lostonearth | toy robot came into my life and i almost immediately
         lostonearth | knew that she was the one
     Lady WolfSpirit | i was thinking the same thing Katie...<S>
       Erek&<kisaE>  | MOL -as lost already said, he's got at least two 
                     | sides to his nature <g>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | fantasy man you may not ask that during a CO, 
                     | however you may stay and
*Night Spirit [HOST] | contribute
         lostonearth | my two do not cycle
             Painter | so lear it is<smile>...
          lost sutra | yes Erek & kisa....but what i consider soft, most 
                     | subs consider hard
         lostonearth | due to their past experiences, they both have strong
         lostonearth | beliefs as to how they want to serve
   Master of Leisure | yes,,I know that Erek....have for a long time
       Lady Rapunzel | No, Painter.. Lear had *three* girls <laughing>
         lostonearth | i will never try to change them
          lost sutra | when i want soft.......i still leave a scene with 
                     | marks & welts
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | hard and soft are VERY relative terms
       Erek&<kisaE>  | Very relative
       Erek&<kisaE>  | <<VERY>>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | lostonearth have you ever given thought to more 
                     | then 3 of you--needing a 4th or
*Night Spirit [HOST] | more member?
      lost toy robot | when i want hard....a spanking may be required...to 
                     | illustrate the difference
      lost toy robot | between sutra and i
      lost toy robot | <giggling>
     Lady WolfSpirit | <thinking lost would definitely die a happy man>
         lostonearth | no, ns      but i have been approached by 
                     | submissives
         lostonearth | lately who would like to also be members of the 
                     | family
         lostonearth | (g)
      fit to be tied | lol
              Senses | How does one communicate whether they want hard or 
                     | soft?
         lostonearth | we need time together as a trio so i have declined
     Lady WolfSpirit | attitude Senses
       Erek&<kisaE>  | LWS - and likely right shortly too <g>
     Lady WolfSpirit | lol Erek
          lost sutra | <weg> thinking about more trio times
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | I understand lost. I think we could handle a third, 
                     | But more would be too much.
      lost toy robot | <weg> here too sutra
         lostonearth | i agree, grpa
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Senses alot has to do with knowing what you want 
                     | and being able to discuss it
*Night Spirit [HOST] | with who you are with
       MoL's Katie J | and reactions to what is going on in a scene too, 
                     | Senses ....
              Senses | okie  <s>
       MoL's Katie J | Body language.
     Lady WolfSpirit | <--when she needs hard, she's a very bad 
                     | subbie..<BG>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | I was lucky to one night have leashed to me sutra 
                     | and river--wondering if I
*Night Spirit [HOST] | might ever get another chance with sutra and toy?
       Erek&<kisaE>  | UH - I do have soemthing to inject here
         lostonearth | if there is ever an addition to this family, it 
                     | will be my two
         lostonearth | special/dear ones asking me to bring in someone they
         lostonearth | have met
*Night Spirit [HOST] | yes E and k?
          lost sutra | i will admit to being a little worried about how 
                     | toy will react the first time she witnesses a
          lost sutra | scene when i want a hard session
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | NS is a switch and a SAM too Lady WS
             wry告lk | I envy the closeness displayed here.. and *that's* 
                     | really odd.. <laffing>
         lostonearth | wait until september, ns  (es)
     Lady WolfSpirit | SAM??
       Erek&<kisaE>  | About knowing hard and soft, etc - it does need to 
                     | be said that at least every so often a sub must do 
                     | what they might not --
      lost toy robot | that is a concern of mine as well., sutra...
*Night Spirit [HOST] | lost I do so love ya
           Eldersign | Smart assed masochist...i.e, you.
     Lady WolfSpirit | lol Elder
       Erek&<kisaE>  | rather do simply because the Doms wants to do it or 
                     | jhave it done.
       Beorn & suchy | ( whispers cause i dont waqnt to intrude .. but i 
                     | jusat adore getting together
       Beorn & suchy | with my sub fem friends ,S. and  engaging in some 
                     | very delicious .. consensual
       Beorn & suchy | activities with Beorn at the helm ... <S> i watch 
                     | him sometimes ,,. and chuckle
       Beorn & suchy | .. as he d=ivided himself ..
         lostonearth | suchy?
       Beorn & suchy | yes loe ?
      !PhantomKnight | <glides in>
         lostonearth | you have said it eggs ackley
*Night Spirit [HOST] | ok kisa a question Erek tells you to stand in 
                     | traffic--do you do it cuz you
*Night Spirit [HOST] | were ordered do you argue with him, or do you trust 
                     | him not to harm you and he
*Night Spirit [HOST] | will stop you?
     !PK's~crickett~ | <VBS>
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | We have had sub female friends come over and have 
                     | double dommed them. Anyone
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | else try that?
         fantasy man | any sexy wanna chat
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | It's interesting, doming someone else with someone 
                     | you normally dom.
*Night Spirit [HOST] | we have done couples GrPa, me, anothr dom and a sub
       Erek&<kisaE>  | <<I know that he will not ever put me at more risk 
                     | than he can handle, in fact will move to lessen any 
                     | risk greater than what --
       Beorn & suchy | Beorn> Yes .. Gr Pa ..  ... we do that .
         lostonearth | fantasy man, be quiet
   Master of Leisure | have not done that,,,,,GPDS.....
*Night Spirit [HOST] | fantasy man I will not tell you again, please stick 
                     | to the subject which is
*Night Spirit [HOST] | poly relationships or please leave
   Master of Leisure | katie has no desire for that
       Erek&<kisaE>  | he feels capable of handling.  This is a trust 
                     | issue I know, but at some point one takes that leap 
                     | of faith.
   Master of Leisure | brb
         fantasy man | go straight to hell lostonearth
      lost toy robot | ohmy
*Night Spirit [HOST] | kisa I agree
         lostonearth | that is another reason i have wanted two 
                     | submissives.
         lostonearth | when there are sisters, there is no feeling of 
                     | jealousy
         lostonearth | that a single sub might feel with an addition...
       Beorn & suchy | Beorn> There are times when suchana is in Switch 
                     | mode and we are both Dom/ming
       Beorn & suchy | .. and times when she exists as my personal 
                     | attendant, doing what ever i desire
       Beorn & suchy | her to do to assist me in Domming the other person 
                     | (s)
       Erek&<kisaE>  | so the other side of that is I'd know something was 
                     | wacko if he ordered me to do something that 
                     | stupid.>>
             wry告lk | how did they become sisters, lost?
     Electricblueyes | I know this will pass unnoticed, but
     Electricblueyes | my experience is, jealousy is always
     Electricblueyes | there, in unexpected people
             wry告lk | sutra was a single sub, was she not?
         lostonearth | sutra has been a domme, but she never wants to let 
                     | it
         lostonearth | out again, so she would have to share submissive
         lostonearth | duties if we were to invite a third.   ido not want 
                     | her to feel
         lostonearth | that way
     Lady WolfSpirit | yes Electric...if it is an unexpected person 
                     | joining...
          lost sutra | <smiling up at lost>
       MoL's Katie J | yes, that's the difference .. whether or not you 
                     | expect and or agree to it.
             wry告lk | <sigh> I don't understand..
     Electricblueyes | N0--meaning the least you would
     Electricblueyes | expect that from
     Lady WolfSpirit | true Katie
     Lady WolfSpirit | before i collared blaze, Elder and i discussed it 
                     | at great length
          lost sutra | wry.....i was Domme for many years....lost is the 
                     | only dom i have ever met that can make me
          lost sutra | willingly submit.....i have turned the tables on 
                     | any others that tried.......
     Lady WolfSpirit | no Electric...it it is discussed before it is done, 
                     | jealousy should never enter
     Lady WolfSpirit | the picture
*Night Spirit [HOST] | lost what if in a few years sutra did decide to 
                     | become Domme to toy at
*Night Spirit [HOST] | times...how would this effect the relationship?
       Erek&<kisaE>  | Ebeyes - some people are monogamous by nature and 
                     | should not be expected or required to be aught 
                     | else, otoh the poly's
       Erek&<kisaE>  | are usually capable of accepting another polyy
          lost sutra | he has needs that i know i will never meet, or 
                     | desire to meet....that is the part of him that toy
          lost sutra | fulfills...she fulfills the same for me
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Lady WS it should never--however at times it does
     Lady WolfSpirit | <smiles at NS>
         lostonearth | if i may say something to mine...........i love you 
                     | both and
         lostonearth | you are equals in my sight. i do not know how i 
                     | would
         lostonearth | get along if either of you were not in my life
         lostonearth | sutra will only domme toy robot if toy robot 
                     | desires it
     Electricblueyes | sutra, fine--but what if one partner is
     Electricblueyes | a player--one is not??
         lostonearth | that will be a decision that i will have no part in
     Lady WolfSpirit | <smiels at lost>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | but it would be alright with you lost if this was 
                     | what she needed and toy
*Night Spirit [HOST] | agreed?
          lost sutra | NS, it is more likely that at some point that toy 
                     | will domme me to some extent
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | sutra, that sounded like something NS has said 
                     | about me.
          lost sutra | in what sense EBE?
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | The thing about not many being able to dom her.
             Jessie* | Hi all
*Night Spirit [HOST] | see I search for a sister like ya'll have--just not 
                     | been lucky to find one for
*Night Spirit [HOST] | us
       Lady Rapunzel | <- feels that way about Endemoniado, GrPa
           mr.fix it | hello everyone
       Lady Rapunzel | I simply couldn't submit to any other, not for any 
                     | length of time
     Lady WolfSpirit | you will find one NS...<S>
     Electricblueyes | sutra--let's say I want to play, but my
     Electricblueyes | "friend" doesn't like that--then what??
         lostonearth | we had a player, ebe  (g)
*Night Spirit [HOST] | hi jessie and mr fix it welcome to the sub pub 
                     | weekly CO tonight subject is
*Night Spirit [HOST] | poly relationships in D/s
       Erek&<kisaE>  | lost - I know you feel that they are equals, but is 
                     | one not primary???
         lostonearth | (noticing that toy robot has grown quiet)
       Beorn & suchy | Master stated that  He would LOVE to add a third 
                     | party to our family ...
      lost toy robot | i'm here, Sir.....listening intently...
             wry告lk | <ggling>pick me!!!
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | To some extent NS, Lady R, and sutra, it's probably 
                     | a matching of personalities
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | too.
       Erek&<kisaE>  | wry - lol
         lostonearth | (shaking head) how can one be primary if they 
                     | fulfill
         lostonearth | different parts of me?
*Night Spirit [HOST] | suchy how do you feel about it?
       Lady Rapunzel | Yes, of course, GrPa <smile> That's love for you
          lost sutra | then it does not work EBE
       Beorn & suchy | ( we would only pick you wrywry !  )
       Beorn & suchy | i would welcome it NS ..
       Erek&<kisaE>  | lost - then you are lucky indeed, for all the many 
                     | times I've had multiple subs, eventually one came 
                     | to be primary, even in
       Erek&<kisaE>  | my own head
       Erek&<kisaE>  | if not always in my heart
         lostonearth | if i am in a certain "mode" for a while, i may 
                     | spend a bit
         lostonearth | more time with one over the other, but it all works 
                     | out
         lostonearth | evenly in the long run.....
       Naked$lave<f> | Night Spirit, you didn't say hello to me..... 
                     | <sulks>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | lost if I may do you find you spend more time with 
                     | one or the other or with
*Night Spirit [HOST] | both at the same time?
          lost sutra | <hugging sis> you get him when he acts like a man???
     Electricblueyes | Ahhhh--but my Mistress wants to
     Electricblueyes | choose my sub!  Now what???
         lostonearth | and it does help that they are both extremely 
                     | intelligent
         lostonearth | women
      lost toy robot | ROFLMAO must be sis.....
       Beorn & suchy | i would adore sharing my Master, my life, my heart, 
                     | soul and desires withy
       Beorn & suchy | someone Beorn feels is as equally special to Him as 
                     | He feels i am ! <S>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | well in that case hello naked slave and are you?
       Naked$lave<f> | I am.....and I'm gagging for a shagging....sadly 
                     | neglected.
       Erek&<kisaE>  | ]Ebeyes - then whoever that is is NOT your sub - 
                     | they are your Misstress and she is ordering you to 
                     | Top
         lostonearth | as i said, ns, it depends on my "mood/mode"
       Erek&<kisaE>  | <<Usually a bad scene too>>
     Lady WolfSpirit | lol Erek..she is his Mistress
*Night Spirit [HOST] | naked not here--but you may contribute to the CO on 
                     | poly relationships in D/s
       MoL's Katie J | I have sent that to naked privately.
     Lady WolfSpirit | Electric, as your Mistress, she does have the right 
                     | to choose for you
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | That's a shame Naked slave. It's always sad to see 
                     | a neglected slave.
*Night Spirit [HOST] | so lost it might be you and toy, toy and sutra, 
                     | sutra and you or all 3 together
*Night Spirit [HOST] | depending on moods?
          lost sutra | EBE, if your opinion is not being sought then it is 
                     | not your choice
       Erek&<kisaE>  | LWS - Not sur if even I follow all my is'is's <g>
       Naked$lave<f> | Yes isn't it Grandpa....
     Lady WolfSpirit | as well as approve or disapprove of one you choose
     Electricblueyes | what????
         lostonearth | yes, ns   eggs ackley
     Electricblueyes | Now ait!
          lost sutra | <perking> at NS's comment
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Now this is a CIO, and you need to participate 
                     | Naked Salve. or just listen.
     Electricblueyes | wait!
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | CO, not CIO
*Night Spirit [HOST] | ok hold on EBE has the floor
     Electricblueyes | why should my Mistress choose for
     Electricblueyes | me??
     Lady WolfSpirit | as your Mistress Electric, she has the right to 
                     | choose a sub for you.....or
     Lady WolfSpirit | approve/disapprove of one you choose
     Lady WolfSpirit | perhaps she does not trust your judgement Electric
     Lady WolfSpirit | <S>
       Erek&<kisaE>  | LWS - I disagree <<And I>>
          lost sutra | disagree with LWS
         lostonearth | <---disagrees
       Lady Rapunzel | <- thinks that maybe that would be something to be 
                     | *discussed* between Ebe and the relevant woman ;)
     Lady WolfSpirit | <smiles>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | <--listening
       Beorn & suchy | I also Disagree LWS ..
     Electricblueyes | LWS--will wrestle you later <s>
          lost sutra | the right for her to choose is given by the 
                     | sub...not taken
     Lady WolfSpirit | you arent man enough Electric...<sweet smile>
     Electricblueyes | I agree, sutra!!!
       Erek&<kisaE>  | If I can put a spin of this ---
       Lady Rapunzel | <- hands LWS a fresh cup of coffee
*Night Spirit [HOST] | yes E & k
     Lady WolfSpirit | and i believe he gave her that right when he asked 
                     | her if he could have one
     Electricblueyes | Oh no--gonna have to wrestle LWS
     Electricblueyes | right now--LOL!!!
          lost sutra | no, LWS voicing a desire & consenting to have one 
                     | picked for you are two very different
          lost sutra | things
         lostonearth | if a dominant is willing to let the submissive 
                     | choose a
         lostonearth | submissive for themself, then the decision rests 
                     | solely
         lostonearth | with the submissive as to who that submissive may be
       Lady Rapunzel | That's true.. by *asking*, one is implying that 
                     | permission is requested and required.
       Erek&<kisaE>  | I'm het male, only interested in fems, but just 
                     | because kisa might be Kisa and Doma fem, I'd feel 
                     | no right to also do so
     Lady WolfSpirit | <growls at Electric>
       Erek&<kisaE>  | The sub of my sub is not necessarily MY sub.
         lostonearth | and the dominant must stay out of the
         lostonearth | submissive-dominant's relationship
       Lady Rapunzel | By the very fact that he *asked*, he would be 
                     | implying that he chooses to let *her* have a say.
     Electricblueyes | My Mistress hates my sub!!!
     Lady WolfSpirit | not if the dominant feels that the sub's sub is 
                     | dangerous
     Lady WolfSpirit | exactly LR
*Night Spirit [HOST] | well noiw see this is also based on the type of 
                     | relationship people have--a TPE
*Night Spirit [HOST] | it would always be the Doms choose
*Night Spirit [HOST] | in others it is different
       Erek&<kisaE>  | LWS - I'm not sure that is something to be handled 
                     | in the dynamic of D/s relationships as much as it's 
                     | a social issue
*Night Spirit [HOST] | depends on how you make the relationship
       MoL's Katie J | a TPE?
     Lady WolfSpirit | perhaps Erek/kisa
       Erek&<kisaE>  | I can advise my sub I think her's is bad for her, 
                     | But i have no right to interfere there
*Night Spirit [HOST] | TPE=Total Power Exchange
       Lady Rapunzel | *All* of this depends on how you make the 
                     | relationship
       Erek&<kisaE>  | Her sub did nopt submit to me!
       MoL's Katie J | thank you, NS :)
     Electricblueyes | disagree, NS--would you want to be
     Electricblueyes | with someone you felt repulsive
     Electricblueyes | cause GP asked you to??
         lostonearth | in the lost family, there is one dominant and two
         lostonearth | submissives. if the submissives choose to have a d/s
         lostonearth | relationship themselves, it will be without any 
                     | input from
         lostonearth | me
       Lady Rapunzel | Hey guys, we all *know* that this depends on how 
                     | you agree on the nature of the relationship
       Lady Rapunzel | Each to their own
     Lady WolfSpirit | very true LR
       Erek&<kisaE>  | NS & LR - Tpe or not - if the sub's sub never 
                     | submitted to the Dom, then the Dom MUST stay out of 
                     | that D/s relationship!
              Senses | How would you react if one did turn on you lost?
*Night Spirit [HOST] | EBE the relationship we have is based alot on what 
                     | I call our goal--our goal is
*Night Spirit [HOST] | happiness together, so he wouldn't ask me to put up 
                     | with someone I don't like
*Night Spirit [HOST] | and visa versa
       Lady Rapunzel | All I'm saying is that this is another 
                     | 'communication' thing
       Lady Rapunzel | Each relationship makes its own rules
          lost sutra | yes, Lady Rap
       Erek&<kisaE>  | \Lr - absolute true
*Night Spirit [HOST] | yes Lady R
         lostonearth | but if a submissive wants a submissive for 
                     | themselves
         lostonearth | (in any other relationship) in order to fulfill 
                     | "switch"
         lostonearth | desires, then the submissive's dominant must stay 
                     | out
         lostonearth | of the second relationship unless invited in
       Lady Rapunzel | But I agree with LWS... *asking* implies that 
                     | permission and approval is sought
   Master of Leisure | nods at LadyR...the dynamics of the situation
   Master of Leisure | all depends on good communication
   Master of Leisure | between all involved
*Night Spirit [HOST] | but on a list I am on--many are into a TPE and the 
                     | Dom is Dom to all under him
*Night Spirit [HOST] | <her>  like a food chain only 1 can be on top
         M4phonesexF | HI ALL
     Electricblueyes | I have a question--is this conference
     Electricblueyes | word of honor--mouth shut!???
     Lady WolfSpirit | yes...if Elder had had any misgivings about blaze, 
                     | he would have either
     Lady WolfSpirit | forbidden me to accept her, or advised me against 
                     | it...
*Night Spirit [HOST] | EBE no it is recorded and posted
     Electricblueyes | thought so
         lostonearth | if one turned on me?    there would be serious
         lostonearth | discussion.  i served when i was trained, but 
                     | never, ever
         lostonearth | will again.....
           Eldersign | And yes...I did consider the problems first.
     Lady WolfSpirit | <smiles at Elder>
       Erek&<kisaE>  | NS - then that Dom had better be working out the 
                     | submissions of his sub's subs in advance or it's 
                     | just plain predatory
*Night Spirit [HOST] | ok lost a question---you are the Dom, sutra gets 
                     | sub X, all of you agree,
*Night Spirit [HOST] | however suddenly sutra and X are together more then 
                     | you want--what do you do?
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Erek and kisa I agree--but personally I could never 
                     | do the tpe--epe maybe
*Night Spirit [HOST] | epe=erotic power exchange
         lostonearth | purely hypothetical, ns   since sutra has had to 
                     | totally
         lostonearth | bury her domme tendencies and is desirous, for her
         lostonearth | own reasons, to never let them surface again, but i 
                     | will
         lostonearth | try to answer for me
         lostonearth | my two will have to answer that for themselves
       Erek&<kisaE>  | NS - most intel-elegant Doms may get a TPE from 
                     | their sub(s), but then know to turn some of the 
                     | decision making back to the sub
*Night Spirit [HOST] | <wink> Erek you are wise beyond your years :)
       Erek&<kisaE>  | <<I ain't holding my breath till I'm blue just 
                     | 'cause E forgot to say "breath">>
     Lady WolfSpirit | lol
             wry告lk | <laffing>
     Electricblueyes | This discussion is badly in need of a
     Electricblueyes | Dominatrix
           mr.fix it | been a real eye opener be back later if anyone 
                     | wants to chat
         lostonearth | i would tell sutra that when she is ready, she can 
                     | return
         lostonearth | to our play, but until she gets it out of her 
                     | system or
         lostonearth | decides to leave, she will not be included in play
     Lady WolfSpirit | Electric, i am Domme...
           Eldersign | :glances at LWS..and Ebe:
*Night Spirit [HOST] | */swat* EBE feel better <hugs EBE>
             wry告lk | interesting, loe...
           Excite Me | I think I agree with lost's train of thought...
     Electricblueyes | LOL--Elder--no dispespedct
     Electricblueyes | intended
       Lady Rapunzel | If only we had LIONESS.... <sigh>
     Lady WolfSpirit | as do i Excite
*Night Spirit [HOST] | lost would that be a punishment for her spending so 
                     | much time? or jealousy on
*Night Spirit [HOST] | your part?
         lostonearth | it would not be fair to my toy to do anything else
         lostonearth | neither, ns
     Electricblueyes | OUCH--LWS!
      lost toy robot | <s> i'm back....see my name...what did i miss?
      lost toy robot | <giggling>
     Lady WolfSpirit | i didnt do anything Electric..NS did..<BG>
             wry告lk | would you explain the "fair" loe?
         lostonearth | better scroll back, toy   (quite a bit)(g)
*Night Spirit [HOST] | toy you missed everything I bought you <wg>---only 
                     | kidding :)
      lost toy robot | i can't, Sir....i was dumped
     Lady WolfSpirit | i dont think it would be either NS
      lost toy robot | ROFL NS
       MoL's Katie J | yes, a few Dom/mes dont' like that word ... *fair*
          lost sutra | <brushing off sis's sore butt>
     Lady WolfSpirit | not punishment or jealousy
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Lady WS how would you see it?
     Electricblueyes | Well, can't hit the host!  LOL
      lost toy robot | ooohh..thanks sutra <S>
     Lady WolfSpirit | it would be sutra's decsision on where or who to be 
                     | with
*Night Spirit [HOST] | EBE you can if you think you can get away with it
       Erek&<kisaE>  | loe has got a pretty good grip on things IMNSHO, 
                     | but then I've never claimed that what works for me 
                     | will work for you (Tu et Vu)
         lostonearth | in a ":group" relationship, a dominant must always 
                     | strive
         lostonearth | to be fair (even if it is only in the long run)
             wry告lk | loe.. can you explain the "fair"?
     Electricblueyes | Oh really NS--"swat!!!!""
     Lady WolfSpirit | fair??...you mean D/s is fair???...tsk
     Lady WolfSpirit | i was lied to
             wry告lk | I mean what would be unfair to tpy?
          lost sutra | equal time & attentions wry
              Senses | "All is fair in love and war"...isn't that the 
                     | comment that gets them out of
              Senses | it?  <s>
             wry告lk | oops.. she'd be having more than her share of 
                     | time.. how would that be unfair?
       Erek&<kisaE>  | Fair in it's unfairness??? Interesting concept, 
                     | very Macciavelliane
     Lady WolfSpirit | lol
           Excite Me | D/s is not always fair, but there is a certain part 
                     | that is a give and take
           Excite Me | situation for the betterment of the group
     Lady WolfSpirit | <smiles at Excite>
       MoL's Katie J | I dont' know, Senses .. not sure how much of D/s is 
                     | love, and how much is war
       MoL's Katie J | <G>
         lostonearth | if a dominant chooses to take on two or more
         lostonearth | submissives, he/she must treat them equally. to take
         lostonearth | one on in a minor role denigrates that submissive's
         lostonearth | service
     Lady WolfSpirit | lol Katie
              Senses | <s>
       Erek&<kisaE>  | LOst -there I have to disagree
             wry告lk | <sigh>
     Electricblueyes | Lost--I do not think that is
     Electricblueyes | possible--you will always prefer one!
      lost toy robot | why should he prefer one of us over the other, erik?
      lost toy robot | rather EBE
     Lady WolfSpirit | no...that is not always true Electric....it all 
                     | depends on the person
          lost sutra | we fulfill different roles.....Erek, both preferred 
                     | for different reasons
       Erek&<kisaE>  | Often it is not only impossible, but unnecessary to 
                     | have all subs treated equally in all things - say 
                     | time, intensity of pplay, mode
         lostonearth | and if sutra is spending extensive time with a
         lostonearth | submissive of hers, is it fair for her to also have 
                     | equal
         lostonearth | time with me?
   Master of Leisure | each relationship is unique,,Erek..
       Erek&<kisaE>  | and oh - y'all getthe idea
     Lady WolfSpirit | to me, i prefer to be with Elder more than i do my 
                     | sub...i value him more...but
     Lady WolfSpirit | that is the way I am...lost is different
       Erek&<kisaE>  | MOL -Yep
*Night Spirit [HOST] | <--grumbling and dusting
          lost sutra | the Dom has the difficult part......all I as a 
                     | member of a trio need do is love & respect teh
          lost sutra | other member
              Filkus | <Runs in........takes a seat>
          lost sutra | members
          lost sutra | even
         lostonearth | our relationship is different, wolf spirit  (g)    
                     | neither of my
         lostonearth | submissives is domme to the other.....
     Electricblueyes | True or not, in the mind of one will be
     Electricblueyes | that the other is preferred!
*Night Spirit [HOST] | does anyone here want to try a poly relationship, 
                     | but is nervous about it?
     Lady WolfSpirit | yes lost..i know
              mickey | Hiya everyone
              Filkus | <--- Curious but totaly freaked at the prospect.
       Erek&<kisaE>  | I'm not just trying to split hairs - just very 
                     | concerned that anyone think that because I or lost 
                     | or MOL does things a cetain ---
       Erek&<kisaE>  | way that this way is THE ONE TRUE WAY
   Master of Leisure | I have no interest in a poly relationship..NS...I
   Master of Leisure | prefer to be with one sub,,,,,I always
   Master of Leisure | have....and enjoy it that way,,,,,my sub gets all
   Master of Leisure | of my attention, love , respect and that is the
   Master of Leisure | way I like it
         lostonearth | if sutra chose to have a submissive, she would
         lostonearth | understand that my taking a timeout with her was not
         lostonearth | based on my preference for toy  (at least i hope so 
                     | (g))
*Night Spirit [HOST] | the first time I actually watched GrPa with another 
                     | woman--and I mean totally
*Night Spirit [HOST] | with her, I was more curious then jealous...then I 
                     | did things to please him
     Electricblueyes | Ummm--GPDS scares me <s>
             wry告lk | the lost family seems very happy.. there's 
                     | something to be said for that..
              Filkus | <Tends to agree w/ MoL.
       MoL's Katie J | <likes it too :)
   Master of Leisure | but i do honor and respect anyone who is in
   Master of Leisure | a poly relationship...I admire the ability to
   Master of Leisure | communicate amongst themembers of the
   Master of Leisure | group
     Lady WolfSpirit | i do to MoL
              mickey | Hello....anyone want to welcome me to this forum
                Marc | nope
*Night Spirit [HOST] | hello mickey glad you can join us
       Erek&<kisaE>  | Mickey - hello and this is a scheduled Conference 
                     | so please be polite
          lost sutra | if you are honest about what you are feeling, be it 
                     | jealously or not & it is openly discussed
          lost sutra | then you have difussed it before it becomes an issue
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Why EBE?
         lostonearth | my toy?
      lost toy robot | yes, Sir?
     Electricblueyes | Mol provided me with wise advice
     Lady WolfSpirit | very true sutra...<S>
           Excite Me | true sutra
     Electricblueyes | Cause Gp--don't know a sadist!
         lostonearth | would you care to explain, as the newest member of 
                     | the
         lostonearth | family, what you feelings are about the three of us?
*Night Spirit [HOST] | sutra you hit it--being honest and as in any 
                     | realtionship without it there is
*Night Spirit [HOST] | no trust, but some folks have a hard time being 
                     | honest with others and
*Night Spirit [HOST] | themselves
       Erek&<kisaE>  | NS - Some?
       Erek&<kisaE>  | Most
       Erek&<kisaE>  | It ain't easy
*Night Spirit [HOST] | true
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | But any good sadist tailors what he or she does to 
                     | what you can and want to
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | take EBE
         lostonearth | i ask this in case that sutra and i have grown to 
                     | have
         lostonearth | "shared sight"
          lost sutra | noone said it was easy Erek......
     Electricblueyes | To be honest, I don't trust you know
     Electricblueyes | when is the time to lighten up
       Erek&<kisaE>  | lost sutra - I did not mean to implie you had
   Master of Leisure | agrees with NS...honesty and openness ar
   Master of Leisure | vital to any relationshiop,,whether poly or
   Master of Leisure | mono......trust builds from that honesty and
   Master of Leisure | clairvoyance and deepens the relationship
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Therefore there should be nothing to be afraid of, 
                     | unless you want to be afraid
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | that is.
*Night Spirit [HOST] | I have met lost and sutra when they were with 
                     | river, and would honestly say
*Night Spirit [HOST] | they have a good structure a way to make all 
                     | happy---which is not easy
       Erek&<kisaE>  | Was really making the point it wasn't as easy to 
                     | say it needed doing and then go do it for real
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | That's legitimate EBE. That's why safewords were 
                     | invented.
          lost sutra | <understood> that is what i meant as well
      lost toy robot | Sir....i had concerns about the family...i had 
                     | never been involved in a
      lost toy robot | polywhatever kind of relationship before. But, we 
                     | discussed it....the three of
      lost toy robot | us....sutra and i and lost....we came to some 
                     | understandings...and have since
      lost toy robot | worked through issues in this way....i love them 
                     | both.....and feel that we are
      lost toy robot | indeed a family...
         lostonearth | i would never asked toy to join sutra and i as an 
                     | equal if i
         lostonearth | had had the slightest doubt that the three of us 
                     | would be
         lostonearth | anything less than totally open and honest
   Master of Leisure | not easy at all...and it is lost that has built
   Master of Leisure | that structure and communicated with his
   Master of Leisure | subs and that is what makes it work
       Erek&<kisaE>  | I Know that it takes all the members continued 
                     | efforts to make a poly family work
     Electricblueyes | Hmmmm?  like what you say, GPDS
*Night Spirit [HOST] | like I said GrPa and I would like a 3rd member but 
                     | it would have tio be someone
*Night Spirit [HOST] | who viewed our same ohiolosphys and one we could 
                     | call family
       Erek&<kisaE>  | <<We've been there , when it worked and when it 
                     | failed>>
       Paul (London) | Hi.... everybody {hugs}
         lostonearth | i must admit that having two such inntelligent 
                     | women in
         lostonearth | my life does mean that sometimes i must take a
         lostonearth | "timeout" from being dominant and all of us become
         lostonearth | equals
          lost sutra | <wondering if that means there will be times in the 
                     | future when toy or i get the remote>
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | The second thing EBE, is that I never play with 
                     | anyone until they are
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | comfortable with me. They need to be able to trust 
                     | me. If the can't we need to
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | talk.
      lost toy robot | <looks at sutra wondering.....did i miss that time, 
                     | sis? <giggling>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | we have never found a sub female who wanted to be 
                     | part of a family all we find
*Night Spirit [HOST] | want him alone and me sometimes----and I am 
                     | his...in fact I wear a tag calling
*Night Spirit [HOST] | me slut1, slut 2 is agnes
*Night Spirit [HOST] | sutra buy 3 universal remotes
         lostonearth | but one with override?  (g)
          lost sutra | but NS, then lost would have to have all three
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Well, we have three TVs NS
      lost toy robot | a Domme remote, Sir?
      lost toy robot | <laffin>
           Excite Me | LOL
          lost sutra | lol
*Night Spirit [HOST] | <--wondering why lost watches tv unless it is to 
                     | recoup?
         lostonearth | domme?  (g)
     Lady WolfSpirit | lol NS
             wry告lk | they're ALL Dom when it comes to a remote..
      lost toy robot | oops
   Master of Leisure | chucklin
      lost toy robot | sorry, Sir.
*Night Spirit [HOST] | true true
      fit to be tied | lol
      lost toy robot | Dom remote
          lost sutra | "remote" is a general term in the lost family
          Ebe--busy! | Sally, my Mistress, is very careful
          Ebe--busy! | GPDS
*Night Spirit [HOST] | before we go to much more since it is wrapping up I 
                     | would love to thanks Katie
*Night Spirit [HOST] | J and GrPa for their help, I would like to thank 
                     | the lost family for their help
*Night Spirit [HOST] | and thank you all for coming
          lost sutra | remote = power
     Lady WolfSpirit | <smiles at NS>
          lost sutra | thank you NS, GRPA & Katie
         lostonearth | i hope that we were able to contribute, ns  (s)
             wry告lk | my thanks to the lost family for sharing with us.. 
                     | it was very helpful for
             wry告lk | me... <s>
       MoL's Katie J | yes, many thanks to all who contributed, especially 
                     | lostonearth, sutra and toy
     Lady WolfSpirit | as usual, you and GrPa host a very good 
                     | conference..and Katie...<BG>
       MoL's Katie J | <huggggggs the lost family>
      lost toy robot | <S> hugs to all......
         lostonearth | hugs or shakes to all
          lost sutra | group grope time again????? <perk>
             wry告lk | andm as always, thanks to Katie and NS and GrPa..
*Night Spirit [HOST] | lost you guys are the best and I am looking forward 
                     | to Sept.  oh and
*Night Spirit [HOST] | lost--sutra has not sent in the notice on the 
                     | website
       Erek&<kisaE>  | ((Now I know why kisa trys to keep the remote on 
                     | her side of the love seat -- her bid for power! 
                     | <g>))
       Beorn & suchy | Hugggs everyone <S> i enjoyed the topic <S> .
      lost toy robot | grope? <perk>
   Master of Leisure | my most humble thanks to lost and his
   Master of Leisure | family and to GPDS, NS and my katie,,,,,,
     Lady WolfSpirit | lol
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Thank you all. Play well and enjoy each other.
          Ebe--busy! | I especially needed this tonight!
          lost sutra | my master has not set a date yet, NS........i await 
                     | his decision
       MoL's Katie J | hugs to GrandPa and NS .. thanks so much!!
       Erek&<kisaE>  | Thanks Ns and Grndpa
*Night Spirit [HOST] | also for those interested in the Sept. party
*Night Spirit [HOST] | http://www.hypnoinfo.com/folsomparty
   Master of Leisure | chucklin @ Erek...you mean you just figured
   Master of Leisure | that out
           Excite Me | <clapping for all involved>....<S>
       Erek&<kisaE>  | Good CO - just the right touch of chaos <s>
     Lady WolfSpirit | lol
*Night Spirit [HOST] | sutra he accepted my party invite, you were 
                     | supposed to go to the site and
*Night Spirit [HOST] | check it out
         lostonearth | and it was said earlier, but i want to repeat what 
                     | the
         lostonearth | other person said......just because it works for us 
                     | does
         lostonearth | not mean that we think that we are on the only true
         lostonearth | path.....
          Ebe--busy! | thank you all
       MoL's Katie J | <putting the chaos back on the spice shelf>
       Erek&<kisaE>  | MOL - Uh actually no, but well, you know <g>
     Lady WolfSpirit | <smiles at lost>
       Beorn & suchy | NS <S> May we remake an old announcement to  those 
                     | who do not know ??
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Glad you enjoyed it EBE
   Master of Leisure | yep..i know...i keep the remore..Erek....lol
*Night Spirit [HOST] | yes of course Band s
   Master of Leisure | remote too
          Ebe--busy! | I'm still stuck
       Erek&<kisaE>  | <If I didn't keep it he'd fall asleep on it!>>
     Lady WolfSpirit | <blows kisses to all>
   Master of Leisure | laffffin...
          Ebe--busy! | but, helpful to be here!
   Master of Leisure | smooches..LWS...thanks for the input
         lostonearth | (smiling @ beorn and suchy's announcement in
         lostonearth | advance)
     Lady WolfSpirit | good night everyone...take care....<S>
   Master of Leisure | nite ..darlin
       Erek&<kisaE>  | Hey! Being a Dom is hard work, I earn my naps!!! <g>
       Beorn & suchy | As some of you may know, suchy and i were prone to  
                     | having a few difficulties
       Beorn & suchy | in our relationship ./  Part due to <minor  
                     | children> and part due to her
       Beorn & suchy | <sometimes> lack of self esteem>  .. Tired, i had 
                     | grown weary .. During our
       Beorn & suchy | time away last week, we talked long and deep  I 
                     | asked Suchana to marry me ..
       Beorn & suchy | and she said Yes .. <S>
          lost sutra | <hugging suchy, again>
       MoL's Katie J | I'm very happy for both of you!
*Night Spirit [HOST] | oh B&s I am so happy for you
          lost sutra | re congrats to both of you
      lost toy robot | <hugging suchy tightly>
       Beorn & suchy | ( I have promised to Flog her more often ... )
   Master of Leisure | Congratulations,,,,Beorn....and suchie,,,,,
      fit to be tied | congratulations!!!!!!!!!
             wry告lk | <smiling at Master B-e-o-r-n>
      lost toy robot | congrats congrats congrats!!!!
           Excite Me | <clapping very loudly>....Congratulations to Beorn 
                     | and Suchana....
   Master of Leisure | make sure you do..Beorn....<g>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | well that is 2 weddings this year
*Night Spirit [HOST] | should we make it more?
       Erek&<kisaE>  | Congrats!!!!!
       Beorn & suchy | Beorn> Thank You all very much .. I only hope I can 
                     | .. Nuetralize the little
       Beorn & suchy | beast !
           Excite Me | LOL
*Night Spirit [HOST] | oh B&s where do you live?
   Master of Leisure | its  a lielong thing...Beorn
       Beorn & suchy | ]Key West
*Night Spirit [HOST] | need a kink freidnly minister?
*Night Spirit [HOST] | friendly
       MoL's Katie J | when you are lucky, it is, Master.
       MoL's Katie J | Sometimes, it doesn't work out that way.
      fit to be tied | <looking at KJ>
       Beorn & suchy | Chuckling .. No NS we have several very good 
                     | friends who are Orddained and in
       Beorn & suchy | the Sceen <S. but thank you .
         lostonearth | ns, i suggested to them to get married in september 
                     | at
         lostonearth | folsom street fair, but they can't make it...   :-(
       Erek&<kisaE>  | B&s - our wedding anniversary is Wednesday - and so 
                     | far we haven't killed each (a few close calls tho 
                     | <g>)
   Master of Leisure | knows what she is thinking and hugggs her
   Master of Leisure | tightly against him....kisses her softlyl
            marianne | Greetings everyone ..:smile::..
   Master of Leisure | whispers ;to her ....that her life has
   Master of Leisure | changed.....for the better
       MoL's Katie J | <huggs MoL back>
       Beorn & suchy | Well, Erek, I felt after three years of being 
                     | together, one on here, one
       Beorn & suchy | LDistance .. and one living together .. its time to 
                     | " Up the Ante"
*Night Spirit [HOST] | shame B&s you could have one with us if you could 
                     | have made it :)
           Excite Me | G'night everyone.....   I enjoyed what discussion I 
                     | had the pleasure of
           Excite Me | listening to..
       MoL's Katie J | hello, marianne
       Beorn & suchy | ( I am making her wait, NS ... perhaps until spring 
                     | )
   Master of Leisure | good nite,,,Ex......
       MoL's Katie J | The transcripts are posted in the library, EM
           Excite Me | <S>   thanks KJ
       Beorn & suchy | irl !
       Erek&<kisaE>  | Only a little slower than we - 1 year here, 1 LDR, 
                     | and 8 months lving together <S>
       MoL's Katie J | Master B-e-o-r-n .. it is spring.
       Beorn & suchy | LOL
            marianne | Hi katie ..<S>
       Beorn & suchy | NEXT   Spring Katie ....
   Master of Leisure | chucklin
       MoL's Katie J | ahh, missed that word <G>
       Erek&<kisaE>  | Important word: "Next!"
       Beorn & suchy | Pe3rhaps we will host a gathering of the Tribe h 
                     | ere in the Keys late this
       Beorn & suchy | winter .. as suchy says .. " when they are all 
                     | freezing thier floggers off "
       Beorn & suchy | ... Perhaps Then ,,
*Night Spirit [HOST] | well the librarian is slow here gonna yell some 
                     | tomorrow
       Erek&<kisaE>  | Full service, 2 lines, No Waiting - Next!" <lol>
             wry告lk | <laffing at Katie>
       Beorn & suchy | ( can any oine tell i am typing for Master ?? ) 
                     | giggling ..
*Night Spirit [HOST] | good night all and thanks once again for coming :)
********** 5/3/98  6:31 PM End logging Sub Pub - D/s.