Real Life 24/7 subs/Doms vs. Players
********** 9/6/98 5:01 PM Begin logging Silken Ties.
MoL's Katie J | lovely, Michael <G>
Lord Excalibur | yes it is nice isn't it
*Night Spirit* | <--waves to the crowd
MoL's Katie J | good evening, big Sis
Lord Excalibur | hello NS
*Night Spirit* | sorry a wee bit late had to untie the submissive
MoL's Katie J | hello Monique
Monique | hello
*Night Spirit* | hugs little sis and greetings Lord E
Michael P. | hi 'n hugs NS
Michael P. | hi Monique
*Night Spirit* | hugs Michael
Lord Excalibur | hello Monique
Monique | hello all
Michael P. | shakes LE
MoL's Katie J | good evening, Master <kiss>
Lord Excalibur | greetings Michael
Master of Leisure | evening....my little one......<smooch>
Michael P. | hi effy, and Shakes MoL
Master of Leisure | Shakes,,Michael...
Lord Excalibur | hello MoL
*Night Spirit* | hugs effy
Master of Leisure | ahhh..the innocent one..hugggs..effy
Master of Leisure | Hello....Lord E.....good to see you
*Night Spirit* | happy holiday to those who get tomorrow off
| <grumble grumble> I do not
MoL's Katie J | effy? she won the adult trivia on Friday
Master of Leisure | HIya,,,NS...huggs..sweetie
Shadow (f) | hello......
*Night Spirit* | hugs MoL
Lord Excalibur | andyou MoL
MoL's Katie J | so not so innocent .. unless she reads a lot <G>
MoL's Katie J | hello, Shadow <S>
~nikki~ (busy) | Hugggs NS et all
Michael P. | brb, wanna check some stuff
MoL's Katie J | hugggggs, nikki
Master of Leisure | and she is very innocent...too..knows little
Master of Leisure | about D/s.....cough
~nikki~ (busy) | Huggs Katie....<s>
*Night Spirit* | hugs nikki
Lord Excalibur | you will have to excuse typos. Iam using LA's
| machine
lucy | hi everybody nikki you beat me<pout>
Master of Leisure | Huggggs...nikki...<s>
*Night Spirit* | we are all innocent
MoL's Katie J | hiya lucy!
Lord Excalibur | yeah right NS
~nikki~ (busy) | LOL lucy.......<grin>
MoL's Katie J | if she beat you, did you enjoy it?
lucy | hi Katie
Master of Leisure | hello..lucy...
lucy | hi MoL
*Night Spirit* | let me do a quick check on my subbie
*Night Spirit* | brb
Monique | Well thank you all for the warm welcome going to
Monique | go tak ecare
MoL's Katie J | I guess she was serious when she said she had to
| untie the subbie .. lol
Master of Leisure | hello.monique....
Lord Excalibur | if I have missed any hellos, heres a overall hello
Master of Leisure | goodbye,,monique..
Master of Leisure | who were you ..monique
MoL's Katie J | she's gone, Master
Master of Leisure | sensitive one
Master of Leisure | yes,,my love ,,I know
MoL's Katie J | <curling up at Master's feet>
Master of Leisure | attaching the leash to the link on her
Master of Leisure | collar.....
Master of Leisure | lifting her chin
MoL's Katie J | hello, Squiggles
*Night Spirit* | ok kids I am back
MoL's Katie J | hugggs, neysa
Squiggles | Hi Katie
neysa | huggggsss katie
*Night Spirit* | todays topic is 24/7 those who live the lifestyle
| always vs those who do it on
*Night Spirit* | weekends, or play parties
Michael P. | back, hi's sssshhh
neysa | or bedroom only?
*Night Spirit* | is there a difference in who these folks are and
| their commitment
*Night Spirit* | yes neysa
*Night Spirit* | so let's grab our first victim
*Night Spirit* | Michael
Michael P. | what?
MoL's Katie J | commitment to each other, or to D/s in general?
Lord Excalibur | yeah leave me alone I'm on vacation <s>
*Night Spirit* | are you 24/7 or just a weekend D/ser
Michael P. | victim? living dangerous aren't you
neysa | <S>
*Night Spirit* | yes love I am
Electricblueyes> M | <pushing in beside lucy>
*Night Spirit* | D/s in general sis
*Night Spirit* | Michael are you 24/7 or just when you can?
Michael P. | I live with a novice domme, she doesn't domme me
| (cept by being bitchy) so no
Michael P. | on the 24/7, but in the frameworkd of my
| relationship with marie and through
Michael P. | the computer and many regular visits, it feels like
| 24/7
neysa | that is a real tough call NS
*Night Spirit* | Michael do you feel there is a difference between
| being 24/7 and not?
neysa | some people may feel like their personal code is a
| 24/7 thing
Michael P. | I think if you're going to imagine it being
| something like keeping someone in
Michael P. | chains all the time you're delusional
neysa | but for one reason or another, like a vanilla
| spouse, they are forced to hide
neysa | that part from the SO
*Night Spirit* | they make a lifestyle how they wish to, some call
| it 24/7 some do not
Michael P. | I see 24/7 as beein more like having the pot on
| simmer and my hand on the knob
Michael P. | to bring it to instand boil
Michael P. | can't spell yet, just woke up
Michael P. | no coffee yet
*Night Spirit* | Michael I think that is a good explaination
MoL's Katie J | the mind set being the pertinent detail, Michael?
Michael P. | the mind set yes Katie, there is never a moment
| with marie in person when I
Michael P. | didn't feel I was her dom or her equal
*Night Spirit* | neysa then is one with a vanilla spouse living the
| D/s lifestyle 24/7 or only
*Night Spirit* | at playtime?
Michael P. | I could push buttons at will, but I took out the
| trash
*Night Spirit* | MoL do you agree with this?
neysa | they may not be living the lifestyle, but they may
| feel the pull 24/7
Master of Leisure | depends on how you define,,,24/7...NS
neysa | I think you first need to define lifestyle
Master of Leisure | if you mean that 24/7 is having the Dom
Master of Leisure | and sub..living together the whole
Master of Leisure | time,,,then most of us here do not live that
Master of Leisure | lifestyle..
*Night Spirit* | MoL each of use define it differently, does one
| have to live together with a
*Night Spirit* | sub chained to the bed and naked and kneeling
| always, or if on command the sub
*Night Spirit* | is there....what do you define as 24/7 MoL?
*Night Spirit* | or is it MoL no matter when or where you are in
| control of your sub?
GrandPaDeSade | Hello all. Sorry I'm late. It was NS's fault though.
*Night Spirit* | even miles apart?
Michael P. | shake GPDS
Master of Leisure | 24/7 to me,,,,NS....is a living relationship in
Master of Leisure | a house with your submissive...
*Night Spirit* | my fault? hugs darlin'
neysa | NS, your comment was "living the D/s lifestyle 24/7"
GrandPaDeSade | Shakes MP
~nikki~ (busy) | I suppose my situation is different as both me and
| my hubby as subs.......but
~nikki~ (busy) | we each have our own Dom & Domme's.......<s> It
| works well.....but not 24/7
~nikki~ (busy) | as you would probably see it.......(as a couple per
| se)
neysa | I personally felt like I was a 24/7 sub before I
| was living with anyone
GrandPaDeSade | Your fault NS. Your submissive kept me.
Master of Leisure | as far as a 24/7 mind set......I feel that you
Master of Leisure | can have that with your sub in a LDR.....
Michael P. | I hear the same from marie neysa, she feels it
| everyday whether I'm there or
Michael P. | not, her submision nor her joy in it don't get
| turned on with the computer
*Night Spirit* | ok can you be a sub 24/7 with no Dom/me neysa?
neysa | LOL I was
~nikki~ (busy) | LOL neysa
neysa | I tend to defer in everything I do
neysa | I would not be good in an upper manag,ment position
Master of Leisure | katie and I have a 24/7 mind set........she
Master of Leisure | feels me every day,,,,whether I am there or
Master of Leisure | not....as i feel her presence......
Michael P. | is that submission or not being assertive though?
*Night Spirit* | so what makes a person a 24/7 and what doesn't--how
| can this be defined, and is
*Night Spirit* | there a difference in the lifestyle?
neysa | Yes
neysa | there is
neysa | There are people who enjoy a bit of slap and tickle
| in the bedroom, but I
neysa | would not call that a 24/7 D/s relationship
*Night Spirit* | ok neysa what is it?
GrandPaDeSade | She feels you every day MOL? That sounds like fun
| for both of you. (Yes, I do
GrandPaDeSade | know what you ment.
neysa | I know to my core that I am a sub
*Night Spirit* | ok are slap and tickle folks even D/sers?
Master of Leisure | grins at GPDS....we have a very close
Master of Leisure | relationship...GPDS.......
neysa | in a very brief sense of the term
MoL's Katie J | yes, Master, that is true .. you are a part of
| every moment of my life .. and I
MoL's Katie J | discuss all with you.
neysa | I have always lived my life trying to please others
Master of Leisure | not in my opinion,,,,NS...
*Night Spirit* | ah MoL explain
GrandPaDeSade | There is no hard and fast line you cross ove that
| makes you a D/s'er os there?
GrandPaDeSade | is=os
Master of Leisure | anyone can tickle or playfully slap someone
Master of Leisure | in the bedroom or out of it,,,,,,that is not a
Master of Leisure | D/s lifestyle...at all
neysa | What IS a D/ser?
Floh | hi there....
neysa | I think that was NS questoin, was tehre a
| difference in 24/7 and play
~nikki~ (busy) | I would think so, GPDS........psychologically
| speaking anyway....
Michael P. | I don't know if it must be D/s er. I've seen men
| and woman who in their
Master of Leisure | not only psychologically,,nikki,,but
Master of Leisure | emotionally and mentally......
Michael P. | relationships submit to the other quite honestly
| and completely although it
Michael P. | isn't necessarily one involving a sexual
| submission. Awareness and I believe
Michael P. | the sexual element are the line that separates the
| two
neysa | So does D/s HAVE to involve a sexual submission?
~nikki~ (busy) | Yes, MoL.....that also.......
Master of Leisure | only if the Dom and sub desire it.......it can
Master of Leisure | be mainly mental.....
*Night Spirit* | ok if you are submissive or Dom/me without a
| partner, and are this role 24/7
*Night Spirit* | are you really that different from let's say
| someone who meets monthly at play
*Night Spirit* | parties, or different from one who likes spanking
| with sex?
~nikki~ (busy) | Not in every case, neysa....
Master of Leisure | does take a lot of fun out of it,,tho.....lol
Michael P. | My children were submissive to me as their father,
| an authority figure, I was
Michael P. | submissive to higher authority in the military, I
| certainly didn't feel it was
Michael P. | D.
*Night Spirit* | neysa my submissive and I do not share sex, but we
| share pain
GrandPaDeSade | MP, it wasn't consentual either.
neysa | fair enough
neysa | I guess it is all very subjective
Master of Leisure | D/s lifestyle..without sex.....NS.....with pain as
| the
Master of Leisure | focus....point taken
Michael P. | extreme examples perhaps, but how about a wife who
| either by choice, religion
Michael P. | or personality makeup is submissive to her husband
| and family, that may be
Michael P. | "submissive" but itsin't D/s, it could also be
| submissive in sexual matters as
Michael P. | well. I feel there is a realization and desire to
| make it a sexual and to know
Michael P. | that that submission is what excites and satisfies
Michael P. | I consented to join the military GPDS
GrandPaDeSade | Ture MP, but once there your choices were VERY
| limited.
Michael P. | of course if their is a desire for the trappings,
| collars, toys,
Michael P. | "Master/Mistress" that is a pretty good clue its
| D/s too
*Night Spirit* | Michael good point.....so is there a difference
| between those who play once in
*Night Spirit* | a while and those who live it, breath it and claim
| to be 24/7?
Michael P. | yes GP
Michael P. | of course NS
*Night Spirit* | ok Michael what is it?
Michael P. | but there has to be a realized sexual or
| phychological understanding. A Quaker
Michael P. | wife is submissive, the relationship is submissive,
| the concept of D/s is also
Michael P. | there but it isn't kink driven
neysa | but what defines kink?
Michael P. | I'll answer that as soon as I figure out the
| meaning of life neysa
neysa | is kink something that "good christians" frown upon?
Lord Excalibur | anything that is not totally accepted by the
| population
~nikki~ (busy) | Okay (jumping in with both feet into the lions
| cage).....I really don't thin
~nikki~ (busy) | you can call it 24/7 *unless* you are living
| together.......how else can your
~nikki~ (busy) | see the looks....expressions......etc????
neysa | LOL LE, then almost ANYTHING is kinky somewhere
~nikki~ (busy) | IMHO< you *need* that contact....
Lord Excalibur | could well be neysa
*Night Spirit* | ok Michael let's say I am married, I am sub by
| choice, my marriage is very
*Night Spirit* | vanilla, I meet a Dom once a month we go to Dungeon
| X and play, rest of the
*Night Spirit* | time we barely speak, am I the same type of sub as
| someone who lives it?
GrandPaDeSade | The definition of kink depends on the society you
| are living in.
neysa | again a subjective thing
*Night Spirit* | I don't know I am a licensed minister and I would
| say I smile as kink
Michael P. | contact between two that know each other can be on
| the phone or on the
Michael P. | computer, to believe that it must be 24/7 in the
| flesh all the time would seem
Michael P. | to be a bit limited. Perhaps for some who need the
| security it is mandatory,
Michael P. | certainly it would be the first choice, but hardly
| the only one
GrandPaDeSade | Some people don't think things we see as kinky
| really are.
Michael P. | NS, if what you feel, do, hope and dream about...if
| how you live the time
~nikki~ (busy) | That is only *my* take on 24/7 tho......24 hours a
| day....7 days a
Michael P. | between visits is determined by that person or the
| need to love, obey, please
Michael P. | (fill in the blank) then you may have a limited 24/7
~nikki~ (busy) | week........you can't *see* anyone's facial
| expression on a computer.....or
~nikki~ (busy) | even on the phone.
GrandPaDeSade | So there are two definitions of kink
*Night Spirit* | ok then let's say a couple you have a good life
| together, always involve just
Michael P. | D/s isn't acts it is emotion and the acts
*Night Spirit* | spanking as foreplay. Are they D/s?
GrandPaDeSade | Society, and the individual.
Michael P. | acts alone are playing
Lord Excalibur | you can feel them though
*Night Spirit* | good point nikki
Michael P. | waking up, soon I'll use correct grammar
MoL's Katie J | I know spankers who would vehemently deny being D/s
neysa | oik nikki, going wiht your definition, must the
| parties be toghether 24 hours a
neysa | day 7 days a week for it to work?
Michael P. | if you know them well enough nikki, if you really
| have given them all of you
Michael P. | and they all of themselves you most certainly can
Lord Excalibur | true Michael D/s is is mental more than physical,
| in the purest sense
Michael P. | yes, thanks for stating it clear LE
neysa | menaing neither of them has outside employment or
| family obligations etc?
~nikki~ (busy) | No, no...neysa.....but that is *my* take on a 24/7
| relationship........
*Night Spirit* | ahh Lord E very good. OK can you be a 24/7 D/s
| lifestylers without any pain
*Night Spirit* | involved?
neysa | I think you can
Lord Excalibur | yes
GrandPaDeSade | yes
Electricblueyes> M | Isn't it a fact that all of sex is the mental
Electricblueyes> M | rather than physical?? so what is the
Electricblueyes> M | difference exactly here??
neysa | pain is an aspect of D/s, but not necessarily all
| D/s relationships involve pain
Master of Leisure | yes,,,NS..that is possible
~nikki~ (busy) | You can *see* thru a phone line???
*Night Spirit* | EBE very good point hon
Lord Excalibur | thanks neysa, .......... can't answer quick, not my
| keyboard
neysa | some D/s relationships may be more disci8pline/
| obedience related
Michael P. | we all need different things and have different
| levels of communication and
Lord Excalibur | no you feel nikki
Michael P. | intimacy, nikki needs face time, others can feel it
| over distance, doesn't mean
Michael P. | either is wrong, like with anything else between
| people, each has different
Michael P. | needs and can get the same level of satisfaction
| differently
Lord Excalibur | very true Michael
Michael P. | shakes EBE
~nikki~ (busy) | <nodding> I suppose so.......if the couple know
| each other well
~nikki~ (busy) | enough......okay......I concede.....
Electricblueyes> M | Shakes Michael
*Night Spirit* | ok to all here what makes a person a 24/7 to one
| who isn't, their own thoughts
Michael P. | I have an example of long distance being real
*Night Spirit* | on it, or have to live with a Dom/me-sub
| realtionship. Can you be 24/7 if all
*Night Spirit* | you do is on-line and never RL?
Lord Excalibur | thats what pure D/s is about nuikki, knowing
| completely, being inside and
Lord Excalibur | having the sub want yuou inside
Michael P. | If I were upset with marie for something, I can't
| reach over the line and swat
Michael P. | her really
Master of Leisure | each D/s relationship is different.....and each one
| focuses
Master of Leisure | on their own unique beharviour patterns
neysa | yes you can NS
Lord Excalibur | ah but you can Michael and I do with LA and she
| feels it
Michael P. | but I can say "I'm disappointed in you" and if you
| don't think that will strike
Michael P. | her right between the eyes, well..it will and it
| will be as real as if I said
Michael P. | it in front of her
~nikki~ (busy) | I have stated mine, NS <s>
neysa | IF we have stated that D/s is more mental/emotional
| than physical
Electricblueyes> M | NS--if that was a good point-any chance
Electricblueyes> M | anyone will address it??
neysa | it is very easy to hold a 24/7 emotional
| relationhip over the phone or online
Michael P. | of course I haven't had to test that out
Michael P. | (S)
*Night Spirit* | sex might be mental EBE but is the D/s lifestyle
| just mental? or does it have
*Night Spirit* | to be physical also?
Electricblueyes> M | That is my question?
~nikki~ (busy) | yes to emotional, neysa.....but *I*, persoannly
| need more than emotional input
~nikki~ (busy) | for it to work for *me*
*Night Spirit* | so sex, and D/s are all mental
MoL's Katie J | I think D/s is built on communication, as is
| online, so the combination make
Michael P. | on line only can be incredibly satisfying but never
| enough, if it were not so,
MoL's Katie J | for a powerful foundation for a relationship ...
| certainly in the mental
MoL's Katie J | aspects.
Michael P. | so many wouldn't lie cheat and steal to get to each
| other for that moment when
Michael P. | they must touch to see if it is real
neysa | nikki, everyone has their own needs and wants
Michael P. | after that perhaps
Electricblueyes> M | why is D/s anymore mental or any less
Electricblueyes> M | than any sex?
neysa | and that is why you will get 25 different answers
| if you ask 25 different people
neysa | what D/s means
CMR | Hi all!
Michael P. | hi CMR
*Night Spirit* | EBE you said sex was mental
InnocentOne | hi room
Michael P. | brb
neysa | EBE, I think it depends on what D/s means to the
| individual
~nikki~ (busy) | Exactly, neysa......<s>
Electricblueyes> M | My question then is--is D/s necessarilly a
Electricblueyes> M | more physical expression of sex
neysa | for me, it is a very mental thing
Master of Leisure | a good 24/7 relationship has to be more than an
| on-line or
Master of Leisure | phone relationship......the Dom and sub should be
| together
Master of Leisure | in RL and discover and experience each
| other....whether it
Master of Leisure | be 24/7 or daily..or monthly ..or quarterly....and
| it should be
Master of Leisure | a combination of both mental and psychological AND
Master of Leisure | physcial........and each should share their
| relationship with
Master of Leisure | the other
*Night Spirit* | so a sub who is online only, plays once a week
| while on line is as much a
*Night Spirit* | submissve as one who lives in that type of
| relationship--there is no difference
*Night Spirit* | in a player and one who lives it?
Michael P. | amen MoL
Master of Leisure | phewww
neysa | AH HA!
*Night Spirit* | EBE I think it is
neysa | a GOOD Rleationship
neysa | there is the key
neysa | NS, they are in their own mind
night nurse | it is more a physical expression of everything that
| you both are
night nurse | feeling,,knowing..learning...
~nikki~ (busy) | For me, Ebe...it is a
~nikki~ (busy) | combination.......emotional.....sexual....psychologi
| cal.....tis either the
~nikki~ (busy) | whole deal or nothing......
Master of Leisure | you have to work at at good D/s
| relationship..neysa......in
Master of Leisure | fact, any relationship for that matter
Michael P. | the satisfaction can't be complete nor the
| connection without seeing and
Michael P. | touching at least once, that I believe is basic
| human nature
*Night Spirit* | yes MoL
neysa | if you only play online once a week, is it just a
| fantasy, that could fall in the
neysa | face of reality??
Electricblueyes> M | good NS--keep going--that ios what I
Electricblueyes> M | want to learn--u think D/s is different from
Electricblueyes> M | other sex in that sense--this is what I
Electricblueyes> M | want to learn...
Michael P. | agree with that neysa
*Night Spirit* | yes EBE because I have a D/s relationship with
| several people, but I ONLY have
*Night Spirit* | sex with one
neysa | If sub a and Dom B have had an online/phone
| relationship for a while
CMR | Alright i'm back
*Night Spirit* | my sub and I do not share sex, he is married, but
| he still obeys me
neysa | and they finally get together, is it safe to say
| that they both will have certain
neysa | thoughts of how things SHOULD go?
~nikki~ (busy) | It could be (for some) the cyber is the only
| opportunity they get to talk
~nikki~ (busy) | D/s......to gauge their feelings, etc......
neysa | NS, does he obey you in everything, including his
| family matters?
InnocentOne | bye room
~nikki~ (busy) | If they have talked it thru neysa......yes.
night nurse | neysa are you speaking each having their own
| expectations met
neysa | exactly night nurse
neysa | each ahs their own expectations
*Night Spirit* | nikki then if cyber is all they have are they
| different then someone who kneels
*Night Spirit* | before their Dom/me daily and sleeps chained? The
| online sub is just a
*Night Spirit* | submissive as the RL one--isn't s/he?
Master of Leisure | each should have their own
| expectations..neysa.......
neysa | and when they get together, isn't there the
| possiblity that one or the other
neysa | may not live up to thoise expectations
Electricblueyes> M | As you know, nikki, that is my case--I'm
Electricblueyes> M | trying to find a defining line between
Electricblueyes> M | fantasy and reality--D/s to vanilla??
Michael P. | there can be striking examples of vanilla sex being
| outrageous but the
Michael P. | difference I feel is that in vanilla partnerships
| it is the exception because
Michael P. | the people involved are only giving up what they
| can, are likely posturing at
Michael P. | times, unable to submit themselves completely (on
| average) where as in D/s the
Michael P. | relationships are normally based on no secrets,
| open soul, completely being
Michael P. | themselves, no hiding the kink, passion etc
night nurse | well i started my relationship on line with my
| Master and now we meet once a
night nurse | month for a weekend sometimes even a week at a time
night nurse | and i found the anticipation..that grew inside me.
| to be overwhelming
*Night Spirit* | ok night nurse, I live with GrPa and serve
| him...are you and I different?
*Night Spirit* | or the same?
Michael P. | that isn't all there is either. Those that are
| into the scene may not have a
Michael P. | D/s relationship, rather they can be playing for
| sensation only (e.g. bottoms
Michael P. | and tops)
neysa | exactly michael
Michael P. | HUGGS marie
Master of Leisure | nods at Michael......and understands exactly what h
| e
Master of Leisure | means
night nurse | No i don;t think we are different
~nikki~ (busy) | No, NS......that may be all they have......but it
| doesn't come anywhere close
~nikki~ (busy) | to a real D/s relationship.......
night nurse | i talk to my Master every day on the phone..a
| couple of times actually
neysa | nikki, but what if it is real to them?
night nurse | and we talk on line at night
marieM | hugs back Master.. and I am also amazed at the
| number of people in vanilla
marieM | realtionships able to maintain a solid D/s
| relationship
*Night Spirit* | night nurse that may be but in all reality how are
| you different then me? your
*Night Spirit* | submission is in your heart and soul.....like
| mine--I think we are closer to
*Night Spirit* | the same
neysa | marie, but are they being dishonest wiht themselves?
night nurse | he has opened me up...knows me well i feel
~nikki~ (busy) | If that is all they know at that particular
| time....and it works for
~nikki~ (busy) | the.....fine......but it doesn't come close to
| kneeling before your Master in RL
*Night Spirit* | neysa at one time or another all souls are
| dishonest with themselves--question
*Night Spirit* | is do they know it?
neysa | NS, does your sub consult you in all things?
marieM | well neysa i have many conversations with them, I
| think if their vanilla
marieM | relationship is based on the same principals of
| being open.. then no
night nurse | my submission is very much inside me...runs through
| me like my own blood does
neysa | I think if they are maintaining two separate
| relationships they know it
*Night Spirit* | no neysa only masterbation and drinking habits at
| work and when here he obeys
*Night Spirit* | is all
marieM | i think a lot of people can departmentalize and
| recognize their needs for
marieM | different people and love them for that
Michael P. | or they've already put themselves in situations
| with vanilla people who will
Michael P. | never be able to open their kinky souls. Most in
| BDSM IMHO, tend to be older,
Michael P. | perhaps having held this desire in check for some
| time and when they could no
Michael P. | longer keep it restrained (love that word) came out
| to find it. In some cases
Michael P. | they must keep it separate
night nurse | and we are planning to be together in the near
| future
neysa | would you consider him a 24/7 sub then?
*Night Spirit* | no
*Night Spirit* | he can never be -- he is a play thing, only
GrandPaDeSade | No, but NS and I have a 24/7 relationship
neysa | would you say his submission to you is the same as
| yours to GrPa?
*Night Spirit* | that we do beloved
neysa | or is he more bottom than sub?
GrandPaDeSade | I wouldn't neysa
*Night Spirit* | yes he trusts me, and we discussed limits, we try
| to achieve our goal, as GrPa
*Night Spirit* | and I always attempt for our goal
*Night Spirit* | but in all reality
*Night Spirit* | he is sub but not the same as I am to GrPa
*Night Spirit* | it involves commitment
neysa | as you said to night nurse, you submit with heart
| and soul, do you feel your
neysa | sub gives that to you?
GrandPaDeSade | Agreed
Michael P. | the other c word
*Night Spirit* | no neysa not yet our relationship is new
Lord Excalibur | the most powerful c word Michael
neysa | ah ok thanks for the clarification <S>
Michael P. | yes LE
~nikki~ (busy) | (C)ommunication & (C)ommitment <s>
Michael P. | other biggies nikki
*Night Spirit* | on the other hand
Michael P. | biggy
*Night Spirit* | we GrPa and I have an occiasional play partner
*Night Spirit* | known as slut2
Michael P. | lol
night nurse | trust is a biggy
*Night Spirit* | she is a switch 24/7
Master of Leisure | lafffin......
GrandPaDeSade | NS is slut1
neysa | <S>
*Night Spirit* | she has a Dom but she plays with us time to
| time---is she different from us or
*Night Spirit* | any of you?
neysa | does she live wiht her Dom?
neysa | and does bveing switch mean you are not 24/7?
GrandPaDeSade | No neysa, it's an LDR
*Night Spirit* | nope they see each other every week-end reason is
| work
neysa | some folks are "hard wired" Doms or subs
GrandPaDeSade | She sees us with his permission.
Michael P. | marie is 1Oslut
neysa | some can fly on either side of the slash
Michael P. | or OOslut
marieM | <S> thank you Michael
Master of Leisure | lol
Michael P. | sorry, I'm off on a tangent
Michael P. | but it means One Outstanding Slut
Michael P. | I'll be quiet now
Electricblueyes> M | marie is??? Hi marie!!!
neysa | LOL I thought it meant she was secret agent slut
Michael P. | its no secret (S)
*Night Spirit* | Michael that is so sweet
Michael P. | (G)
neysa | LOL
marieM | hello again EBE.. but neysa dont' if you are a
| switch you have a tendancy to be
marieM | drawn on way or the other
marieM | he is a sweetie NS
neysa | we ARE twisted
GrandPaDeSade | I think NS shout be called "The Slut's Slut"
neysa | <picturing this conversation in a bar>
Master of Leisure | the word is kinky,,,,,neysa.....
neysa | or anywhere else
marieM | actually neysa we have had this one in a bar..
Michael P. | I like Twisted MoL (EG)
Electricblueyes> M | I'm a switch--you bend to who u are
Electricblueyes> M | with--it's not difficult
marieM | and i think more support groups are becoming 3d
neysa | rhymes with Fisted
~nikki~ (busy) | LOL neysa.....
Michael P. | LOL
GrandPaDeSade | We've had it at work, with the boss.
Lord Excalibur | sorry friends I have to go
marieM | night LE
Lord Excalibur | see you next week
~nikki~ (busy) | Bye LE <s>
Michael P. | bye LE, thank you for your thoughts
Master of Leisure | <weg>....twisted and kinky,,,,,Michael.......and I
| thoroughly
Master of Leisure | enjoy and love my OOSlut....
neysa | GrPa, I used to be able to discuss kink at work
neysa | not anymore
GrandPaDeSade | Bye LE
*Night Spirit* | ok by using the words yes or no--are players the
| same as 24/7 D/sers ?
Master of Leisure | cya,,,LE
night nurse | night LE
MoL's Katie J | thanks for coming, LE
neysa | too much chance of sexual harrassment
Michael P. | no
*Night Spirit* | Night Lord E
~nikki~ (busy) | nope
neysa | Nope
Michael P. | nope wasn't an option, somebody swat em
*Night Spirit* | my work is kink
MoL's Katie J | no
neysa | You are lucky NS
Lord Excalibur | night all, thanks again for holding the CO's GPDS
| Katie and NS
GrandPaDeSade | neysa, we work at a kinky place. All of us are.
*Night Spirit* | thanks for comming Lord E
neysa | You both are lucky then
GrandPaDeSade | We think so.
*Night Spirit* | neysa I work for kinky cards and the Fetish
| Society..yep kink is important there
neysa | We have to watch out even talking with friends that
| something offensive isn;t
neysa | overheard by a third party and complined about
*Night Spirit* | in fact they encourage us to find more kink
GrandPaDeSade | I swatted NS at work, and the bosses slave
| commented on how nice it was we felt
GrandPaDeSade | free to do so.
night nurse | smiling Because sometimes at work as a nurse i have
| to tie men down
night nurse | to keep them safe
Electricblueyes> M | question: is there like a time limit
Electricblueyes> M | here--why does this end so often with so
Electricblueyes> M | much going on??
*Night Spirit* | ok so we are in agreement then any last words on
| this subject?
~nikki~ (busy) | <wink> night nurse......horrible job, eh?
GrandPaDeSade | Must me nice Night Nurse
GrandPaDeSade | me=be
Michael P. | catherizations..oh my
*Night Spirit* | EBE mainly because I am a diabetic and it is time
| to feed the sugar at 6:00 pm
Master of Leisure | not really ..nikkki,,,i worked in a hospital for a
| few
Master of Leisure | years,,,,had to restrain a lot of people...<eg.
MoL's Katie J | <wince>
Electricblueyes> M | oh--I understand..
GrandPaDeSade | Also, after an hour, people start leaving.
night nurse | restrain .cath..hold down.and try to keep them safe
| from harm
*Night Spirit* | any last words on this subject? (BTW I want a good
| set of hospital
*Night Spirit* | restraits--badly)
~nikki~ (busy) | Me too, MoL....for many's a year.....<grin> I did
| the ol' ECT bit
~nikki~ (busy) | too......must be where I get my liking for
| electro-play
Electricblueyes> M | But if they aren't--??? oh well///
Master of Leisure | hehehe....
night nurse | ahhh leather ones are good NS
night nurse | smiling
neysa | NS and GrPa, thakn you both for a very lively CO
Master of Leisure | <--used the leather restraints where i worked.....
~daisEy~ | <wishing like hell that tonites topic was how to
| cure miss
~daisEy~ | daisy's poison ivy><S>
*Night Spirit* | MoL send me some <hint hint>
Master of Leisure | the ECT was kewl....<s>
~nikki~ (busy) | Gotta go folks.......thanks for the CO, GPDS, NS &
| Katie <hugs>
*Night Spirit* | oh daisey poor baby
GrandPaDeSade | Thank you all for cuming, Whoops, comming.
neysa | Daisey, take a hot soak in as hot water as you can
| stand with epsom salts
night nurse | giggling
Master of Leisure | nite,,nikki.........hugggs..sweetie......we need to
| share some
Master of Leisure | h ospital stories in Feb
Michael P. | what is the topic next time?
~daisEy~ | its a real bummer NS
*Night Spirit* | Thanks all for comming I enjoyed it--in fact I
| really enjoyed all of today
marieM | thank you NS
~daisEy~ | epsom neysa? not aveeno?
*Night Spirit* | Katie next week's topic is?
MoL's Katie J | S&M 101 I believe
*Night Spirit* | btw are you SL's neysa?
neysa | Aveeno would work too
Michael P. | thank you
neysa | <s> yes NS
*Night Spirit* | oh you are right Katie SM101
Master of Leisure | thanks for the CO.......NS...GPDS..and my
| katie.....well done
~daisEy~ | i tried that<pouting>
*Night Spirit* | is SL still around?
neysa | in the living room wathcing TV
*Night Spirit* | say hi to him for me
neysa | we got married last year
~daisEy~ | and i have tried calamine, caladryl, cortisone,
| benadryl, some herbal stuff<giggle>
MoL's Katie J | my great granny used to put clorox in the bath for
| poision ivy
MoL's Katie J | dries it right up
Electricblueyes> M | daisey--be carefull--that stuff comes back
Electricblueyes> M | when you think you're rid of it!!
~daisEy~ | think i am desperate?<giggling>
night nurse | you need sun light daisEy
GrandPaDeSade | Congradulations neysa
neysa | Thanks GrPa
~daisEy~ | bleach, eh?
neysa | daisey, try Prep H
night nurse | to dry it up
Master of Leisure | hope i never get poison ivy.....l;ol
neysa | stops the itching of Hemmroids, why not poison Ivy
~daisEy~ | oh yeah, tried preparation too<giggle>
Michael P. | and gets rid of bags under the eyes
night nurse | and then wash eveything your skin has touched to
| make sure you don;t spread it
night nurse | or get it back
~daisEy~ | preparation H even
Electricblueyes> M | why does it come back night nurse??
*Night Spirit* | has he gotten any new tattoos?
neysa | no
neysa | I got a K last year
neysa | I want more LOL
GrandPaDeSade | "K"
*Night Spirit* | shame I am up to 9 now, had the SL on my back
| finally altered, a woman is there
*Night Spirit* | now putting chains on
night nurse | if the juice from the poison ivy gets on material
| and is touched by your skin
GrandPaDeSade | Oh, OK
night nurse | it comes back
*Night Spirit* | I remember the K
~daisEy~ | i have been washing like a compulsive, nurse<S>
neysa | sounds like a nice piece
~daisEy~ | washing the sheets
~daisEy~ | washing my clothes
~daisEy~ | washing my hands
night nurse | then dry baking soda in your bath
night nurse | three times a day
~daisEy~ | using alcohol on my hands too
~daisEy~ | <sighing>
night nurse | baking soda will dry it up along with the sunlight
*Night Spirit* | <--glad we have a night nurse here :)
~daisEy~ | <thinking the sun makes me sweat and that makes me
| itch more?
Michael P. | so when are we going to make an effort to move
| people in here from chat or is
Michael P. | this going to be a meeting place for co's only?
night nurse | and daisEy when it itches don;t scratch it ...slap
| it with your hand
night nurse | the stinging of the slap relieves the itching
| sensation
~daisEy~ | <- trying really really hard not to sratch at all
night nurse | i know i have had it too
*Night Spirit* | yes I am better now
~daisEy~ | i dont want it to spread
neysa | Glad to hear it
*Night Spirit* | Michael that is up to everyone
GrandPaDeSade | NS, did you see MP's question?
GrandPaDeSade | OK, you did.
MoL's Katie J | the room is always here and available
*Night Spirit* | this is a good CO place, room space, and excellant
| message board and library
*Night Spirit* | which chat lacks
neysa | I HATE getting old
~daisEy~ | Exile is having a fit because i am due to be there
| on Thursday and i have this
~daisEy~ | nastiness on me
MoL's Katie J | anytime people want a good place to chat.
neysa | Katie old habits die hard
neysa | most people are used to going to chat
neysa | and if they show up here and everyone is still over
| there
GrandPaDeSade | The more people that come here, the more chance of
| getting more.
~daisEy~ | <will try everyone's advice tho><S>
neysa | they just naturally migrate
MoL's Katie J | I know that, but there's much grousing about not
| being able to have a
MoL's Katie J | discussion there .. which is why we started this in
| the first place.
~daisEy~ | <getting really desperate><
*Night Spirit* | yep but this is good for messages to each other or
| to discuss subjects or
*Night Spirit* | seeing articles
Electricblueyes> M | I had it, daisey--2 things--stuff like ben
Electricblueyes> M | gay--rubs that make the skin burn--and
Electricblueyes> M | hydrogen peroxide--iifinally it went
Electricblueyes> M | away--but those arthritic like rubs really
Electricblueyes> M | seem to help stop the itching...
*Night Spirit* | this is a fairly good forum alot of variety and
| very adult orientated
neysa | is it an Adult Controls place?
*Night Spirit* | yes
Master of Leisure | this setting is better for a Conference,,,,,that
| way we dont
Master of Leisure | get offensive and rude jerks interfering with a good
Master of Leisure | discussion
MoL's Katie J | yes, neysa
~daisEy~ | <cursing Biology and that damn swamp>
*Night Spirit* | true MoL
sharp shot | hi all
Sheriff | you have the right to remain silent
neysa | you were saying MoL
neysa | LOLOLOL
Master of Leisure | i announced the CO tonite on 10 and the ones who
| wanted
Master of Leisure | to come here...did...
night nurse | LOL
MoL's Katie J | sure, Master, you had better knock on wood next
| time <G>
Electricblueyes> M | even if yer straight, daisey--try Ben Gay--
Electricblueyes> M | <s>
~daisEy~ | <changing major to something that does not involve
| itchy
~daisEy~ | plants>
*Night Spirit* | remain silent in a chat orientated forum?
Master of Leisure | lafffin....oohhh..well..neysa....
neysa | uhm last time i checked I didn't live in AL
Master of Leisure | knockin on my wooden paddle....lol.....
neysa | so anythign I say must be ok
Michael P. | thanks Sheriff, but we'd likely string up the
| sheriff here
MoL's Katie J | <erp!>
Sheriff | get um sharp shot
sharp shot | they not listening
Master of Leisure | nothing like talking too soon
*Night Spirit* | lol
night nurse | LOL and looking at MOL
*Night Spirit* | MoL comming to Folsom?
~daisEy~ | has anyone seen Gabby lately?
Sheriff | o.k.
neysa | She was on earlier Daisy
Master of Leisure | grabbing the rope and putting the noose around teh
Master of Leisure | sheriff's neck
night nurse | she was in the room yesterday
~daisEy~ | damn
Sheriff | going
*Night Spirit* | daisEy not in about a week saw her on 10
Electricblueyes> M | Gabby was on D/s yesterday, daisy
Michael P. | not I daisEy she was on a few days ago and sorta
| went balistic in 10
Master of Leisure | katie and I will not e there...NS.......i am going
| to NYC next
Master of Leisure | weekend....
~daisEy~ | she is not on my new friends list yet and i need
| her witch
~daisEy~ | doctoring<S>
neysa | she was on this afternoon too
Michael P. | guess she recovered then (S)
MoL's Katie J | yes, <chair dancing>
neysa | MoL, Folsom isn't til the end of the month
~daisEy~ | went balistic? she ok?
Electricblueyes> M | I have her # if ya want it Daisey
Master of Leisure | I chatted with here today,,,daisey..she was on 10
Master of Leisure | i know that..neysa.......my work schedule is too
| hectic at that
Master of Leisure | time....school has started and I have many clients
| to
Master of Leisure | see...its just not good timing
~daisEy~ | hey MoL...
Master of Leisure | she is okay,,daisey..she had a little prob
~daisEy~ | write me a note to get me out of Field study would
~daisEy~ | ya?<wink>
*Night Spirit* | and something new
neysa | GrPa, do you have her fingers bound again??
*Night Spirit* | we boaught a cheap coffee table
~daisEy~ | <hoping Gabs is ok><S>
*Night Spirit* | and put eyebo,lts and hooks on it
GrandPaDeSade | The old chinese finger trap
night nurse | thanks for the conference...enjoyed it alot...have
| to go take a bath and ge
night nurse | ready for another night of the full moon
neysa | those are hard to type in LOL
~daisEy~ | o Nurse... enjoy,, the ER is hell on those nites<G>
~daisEy~ | <trying not to scratch>
night nurse | laughing you know they are!!!
GrandPaDeSade | Holiday weekend too.
night nurse | and all the people get confused
*Night Spirit* | this old table with eyebolts now in it good for wax
| play or any play and is
*Night Spirit* | cheap
neysa | Well all, thanks again for a great CO
night nurse | bye all...take care...waving good night
neysa | I have to get to bed, got to be up by 4
neysa | YUK
night nurse | as i hop in my tub
MoL's Katie J | thanks for coming, neysa
neysa | you're welcome katie
GrandPaDeSade | Night all.
~daisEy~ | <goin to see the witch doctor>
MoL's Katie J | and you, nightnurse <s>
~daisEy~ | kisses
~daisEy~ | to all
Michael P. | night all
MoL's Katie J | good night, Michael
Master of Leisure | nite,,Michael.....
night nurse | hugs to you Katie(smiling)
MoL's Katie J | good night, marie
Master of Leisure | niters....night nurse......
night nurse | hugs to you also MOL
Master of Leisure | huggs.hon
night nurse | you all think of me tonight as i have to full moon
| to battle
MoL's Katie J | sure will as I play cybercop .. lol
MoL's Katie J | love the full moon .. <G>
night nurse | and i know it will be a busy night
Master of Leisure | i have worked many holiday weekends at the ER
Master of Leisure | Orderly,,,,,you see lots of weird things
night nurse | that is for sure MOL
night nurse | winking at you
night nurse | and smiling
night nurse | very weird things
********** 9/6/98 6:21 PM End logging Silken Ties.