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********** 6/21/98  4:59 PM Begin logging Sub Pub - D/s.
             Janiece | that is how it is here usually...
               Radar | hi Janiece
       Lady Rapunzel | :-PP nik.. I'm not well...
            ~wrywry~ | I was here first nik.. you're sucha  brat.. 
                     | <laffing>
             Janiece | hi Radar
       Lady Rapunzel | <sneezes>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | greetings all
       *mystic rain* | <walks in> hello everyone <s>
       Lady Rapunzel | Evening, NS <smile>
      fit to be tied | hugs NS
       *mystic rain* | good evening NS <s>
            ~wrywry~ | hugggggs NSsis :-)
   *Michael's nikki* | YUKKKK!!!!   <quickly erecting serile screen>
             Janiece | Good Evening NS
*Night Spirit [HOST] | evening Lady R..hugs fit
      ~Lady Justine~ | LO Lady of the Night
   Master of Leisure | evening,,,,NS.....<s>
       Lady Rapunzel | You're *not* funny, nik <laughs>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | hugs wry--you with the best name in cyberDOM
   *Michael's nikki* | Hi there, Night Spirit   <s>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | hiya Lady J
               Radar | what was the name of the book you were talking 
                     | about the other night, Janiece.
*Night Spirit [HOST] | hiya Nikki
               Radar | I think you mentioned Ann Rice as the author
                 Taz | we dont need rain
       *mystic rain* | too bad...i'm here <sweet smile>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | <--loves Ann Rice
   *Michael's nikki* | LOL mystic...
*Night Spirit [HOST] | <--needs mystic rain
      ~Lady Justine~ | loves Stephen king
            ~wrywry~ | <--has a yen to bite Lestat's neck..
             Janiece | It is called.. 'the further Erotic Adventures of 
                     | Sleeping Beauty"
       *mystic rain* | thanks NS ..kotc
       Lady Rapunzel | Oh god
       Lady Rapunzel | The Beauty Trilogy
            ~wrywry~ | I think that book is plain dumb, Jan
       Lady Rapunzel | Me too
       Lady Rapunzel | I read all three in an afternoon
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Janience there is a 4th book?
             Janiece | I like the book...
            ~wrywry~ | ::blush:: trying to form a more pc way to say 
                     | that.. sorry, Janiece
               Radar | <g>
      fit to be tied | all three... one afternoon... dumb....hmmmmm
             Janiece | I had heard there was a 4th one coming out...but I 
                     | don not know if there is one
            ~wrywry~ | <psst me too, Lady Rap.. then regretted the time>
               Radar | didn't mean to cause all this trouble!
ICQ me if you know m | Anyone for a virgin?
*Night Spirit [HOST] | the beauty books are just a fiction tale--in that 
                     | context I liked it--as a how
*Night Spirit [HOST] | to book---<shiver>
       Lady Rapunzel | <chuckle> fit.. I read fast anyway... and found 
                     | little plot
            ~wrywry~ | I am sorry, Janiece..
      fit to be tied | plot?
            ~wrywry~ | plot.. you found any?
       Lady Rapunzel | Ex*act*ly, fit <laughs>
      fit to be tied | was there susposed to be a plot
               Radar | thanks Janiece
       Lady Rapunzel | I found one page of plot...
      ~Lady Justine~ | >~~ hasnt read them so shuts up and listens
             Janiece | The plot is shallow... but so was the 'Story of O'
*Night Spirit [HOST] | hold it.....what plot
      fit to be tied | well i liked them a lot
       Lady Rapunzel | but I ain't telling which book ;)
            ~wrywry~ | you dont' accept my apologies?
*Night Spirit [HOST] | I like story of o..hated the ending though
             Janiece | the ending was horriable
       Lady Rapunzel | <- never read 'o', deliberately
       Lady Rapunzel | Isn't there more than one ending?
      ~Lady Justine~ | anyone read the New Story of "o"
       Lady Rapunzel | Or did I misunderstand that?
            ~wrywry~ | <sigh>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | I did Lady J
       *mystic rain* | <last reading i did was Parenting Magazine> <sigh>
   *Michael's nikki* | <<----- has, Lady J
      ~Lady Justine~ | twas good Night
       *mystic rain* | lol....stopeed that conversation right in its 
                     | tracks!
      ~Lady Justine~ | Master De Sade evening
      ~Lady Justine~ | i have a habit of doing that mystic
*Night Spirit [HOST] | well shame to say in my opinion most fiction accts 
                     | of our lifestyle are boring
*Night Spirit [HOST] | compared to doing it RL
      ~Lady Justine~ | call me the show stopper
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Good evening lady justine
             Janiece | I agree with you NS
       *mystic rain* | good evening GrdPa
   Master of Leisure | good to see you..GPDS
   *Michael's nikki* | Hiya GPDS  <~waving
      ~Lady Justine~ | and how is the Master of the house this fine warm 
                     | evening
      ~Lady Justine~ | ?
       Lady Rapunzel | <smile> GrPa
            ~wrywry~ | hi GrPa <s>
                Lynn | evening, friends <soft smile>
             Janiece | Hello Again GPDS
       Lady Rapunzel | <- hugs Lynn <smile>
      fit to be tied | hugssssss Lynn
       *mystic rain* | hello Lynn <s> huggs
   Master of Leisure | evening,,,,lynn..<s>
   *Michael's nikki* | Hiya Lynn  <smoochies>
               Jenni | Hello All <s>
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Evning mystic rain, MOL, nikki, Lady R, wrywry
      ~Lady Justine~ | Lo Lynn
                Lynn | huggs Lady Rap <s>
            ~wrywry~ | hugggggs sweet Lynnie <s>
       *mystic rain* | huggs Jenni <s>
                Lynn | smoochies nik, darlin <s>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | this should be an interesting CO--today is on 
                     | touches, cuddles, small kisses on
*Night Spirit [HOST] | the body, massage, and ideas on the softer side of 
                     | our lifestyle
                Lynn | hugs  MoL, Sir <s>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | abrasions (gentle ones)
                Lynn | wry wry.. hugs sis <s>
   Master of Leisure | hugggs...lynn...<s>
               Jenni | {{{Lynn}}}
            ~wrywry~ | <turning on recorder>
                Lynn | hugg Jenni <s>
                Lynn | hugggs rain <s>
                Lynn | smoochies to you all
*Night Spirit [HOST] | <--runs to MOL, knocks him over and licks him like 
                     | one of his dogs on all the
*Night Spirit [HOST] | parts the dog is not allowed to touch
   Master of Leisure | grinnin..wantonly......
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | <--looking for a flogger for NS
*Night Spirit [HOST] | GrPa--promise?????
       Lady Rapunzel | Don't tell me you have trouble *finding* them in 
                     | your house, GrPa <laughs>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | licks is also a soft touch
      ~Lady Justine~ | >~~ passes the paddle over to GR PA
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | AND a paddle for myu other hand.
   Master of Leisure | <---envisioning the two breedings and the breeding
   Master of Leisure | rack from  yesterday
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Thank you Lady J
*Night Spirit [HOST] | GrPa---soft touches love---
      ~Lady Justine~ | Welcome Master De Sade
                lynn | <does this look too little for me? <the name>
       Lady Rapunzel | Yes, Lynn
       Lady Rapunzel | Put back the cap
      fit to be tied | <giggle>
   *Michael's nikki* | <settling down for a good CO with two packets of 
                     | crisps, a bottle of mineral
               Jenni | yes
   *Michael's nikki* | water...and......er.....a box of after Eight Mints> 
                     |   <<WEG>>
      ~Lady Justine~ | wonder if i should turn sub tonight
               Jenni | a balanced meal nikki <g>
       Lady Rapunzel | <- sitting with nik
                 Taz | see ya later every one
                Erek | Greetings to all.
       Lady Rapunzel | <smile> Erek
      ~Lady Justine~ | HI Erek
       *mystic rain* | <--sitting on nik's other side
                lynn | K Lady <s>
   *Michael's nikki* | Hiya erek....<s>
   Master of Leisure | hello...Erek
       *mystic rain* | hello Erek
            ~wrywry~ | hi Erek!  nice to see you <s>
   *Michael's nikki* | wahhhHHHHHHH    MY FEAST!!!!!
*Night Spirit [HOST] | ok I am about to start and my first victim is 
                     | rain---tell me the softer side,
*Night Spirit [HOST] | what touches do you like
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | SAMs don't get soft touches as often NS, haven't 
                     | you noticed that, You are
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | usually angeling for something stronger.
      ~Lady Justine~ | all u need now is sir gault and all will be complete
       Lady Rapunzel | Better, Lynn <smile>
       *mystic rain* | long slow ones NS
       *mystic rain* | <s>
              *Lynn* | better? <s>
              *Lynn* | lol
            ~wrywry~ | much better, sweetie <s>
       *mystic rain* | then quick ones....
*Night Spirit [HOST] | rain like caresses, kisses, fingers drawing 
                     | patterns?
       *mystic rain* | all of those NS.....and more
              *Lynn* | gooood <so much for well meaning advice, eh?>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | rain tell us what touches do you think are 
                     | important?
       *mystic rain* | i expecially like the touches that never 
                     | really...touch...understand?
       *mystic rain* | just the teasing <weg>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | yes I do rain......
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Lynn, do what works for you, not them, unless YOU 
                     | want to please them.
       *mystic rain* | i believe they are ALL important
              *Lynn* | thank you GrandPa <soft smile>
       *mystic rain* | depends on the situation
      ~Lady Justine~ | ahh but dont u use that in vanilla aswell <teaseing>
              *Lynn* | hello LJ
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Lady J that we do, but some folks forget in our 
                     | lifestyle we are not all just
*Night Spirit [HOST] | whips and chains
      ~Lady Justine~ | Hi Lynn
       *mystic rain* | <not good speaking publically....see how red my 
                     | face is!!!>??>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | rain you did very well
       *mystic rain* | s@ NS
*Night Spirit [HOST] | how many here massage their 
                     | owners/Masters?Mistresses?
      ~Lady Justine~ | I have seen ur homepages NS , and enjoyed a wonder
      ~Lady Justine~ | round them
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Cuddling is very important for most couples, no 
                     | matter who, where, or when.
*Night Spirit [HOST] | thank you Lady J
              *Lynn* | oh yes..
      fit to be tied | <rasing hand>
       Lady Rapunzel | I think, LJ, that the main difference, with regard 
                     | to soft touches, between D/s and vanilla is the 
                     | heightened contrast between our
       Lady Rapunzel | use of pain and use of softness.
      ~Lady Justine~ | welcome NS
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Yes fit?
*Night Spirit [HOST] | fit massages
       *mystic rain* | i have net to experience any other touches....
      fit to be tied | yep...<G>
      ~Lady Justine~ | Lady R i am a Domme , i think i know the 
                     | differences how
      ~Lady Justine~ | ever sutblte
       *mystic rain* | the whips...chains...
              marieM | sneaking inwith my late Pass
              marieM | hiya and hugs all around
*Night Spirit [HOST] | I massage the Owner--he seems to enjoy the touch
       *mystic rain* | <-----loves giving massages....
            ~wrywry~ | we are touch oriented.. whether harsh or gentle..
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | A late pass, who signed that?
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | I do NS
*Night Spirit [HOST] | rain and fit do either of you have a special 
                     | techinique or oil you use?
   *Michael's nikki* | (((((((*^* marie *^*)))))))   <shovin gup on the 
                     | comfy chair to make room for
   *Michael's nikki* | my sis>
      fit to be tied | we have a variety of things we do..... some are 
                     | very hard and some very
      fit to be tied | soft..... some in the contex of a scene... and some 
                     | just because we are
      fit to be tied | emotionally attached
              marieM | sneakin inbetween
              marieM | nikki and fit
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Agreed fit.
       *mystic rain* | just warm oil NS...paying close attention to ALL 
                     | parts of the body
       Lady Rapunzel | Goodnight, everyone
      fit to be tied | hugssss Maire
                Erek | <=== As an owner/operator <g>, I know I enjoy both 
                     | touching and being touched - and that includes 
                     | massages of most varieties <S>.
      fit to be tied | nite Lady R
                Erek | Nite LR
              *Lynn* | Nighters Lady Rap <s>
               Jenni | g'nite Lady R <<hugs>>
       *mystic rain* | goodnight LadyR
      ~Lady Justine~ | Night Lady R
      ~Lady Justine~ | old man sitting in a bar - surrounded by nubile 
                     | young
      ~Lady Justine~ | girls.  local men jealous as hell - how does he do 
                     | it one
      ~Lady Justine~ | asks once....barman says I have no 
                     | idea...everynight he
      ~Lady Justine~ | comes in alone and goes out with all the totty 
                     | going - I
      ~Lady Justine~ | mean he must be 75 if hes a day - and yet regular as
      ~Lady Justine~ | clockwork, he comes in a 9pm, sits in the same seat,
      ~Lady Justine~ | drinks
      ~Lady Justine~ | his half of lite ale and sits there...licking his
      ~Lady Justine~ | eyebrows....beats me....
      ~Lady Justine~ | Latest perversion from the states - its highly 
                     | fattening
      ~Lady Justine~ | its called S&M&M
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | NS likes to oil me then massage me. I enjoy it, not 
                     | only because it is
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | pleasant, but because she enjoys doing it.
   Master of Leisure | nite....LR
   *Michael's nikki* | Night Night Lady Rap  <smoochies>
      ~Lady Justine~ | oppss sorry forgot that was on the paste
            ~wrywry~ | <ggl>
                Erek | GPDA - Agree with that
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Erek what touches do you enjoy giving?
       *mystic rain* | my rl husband plays guitar for a living...so he 
                     | especially enjoys his hands and
       *mystic rain* | fingers massaged <s>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | oh rain...nice touch
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | LJ, Did you see the Kurtzie Swooze piece where she 
                     | showed her tounge?
   *Michael's nikki* | <<-- loves amssages but not my feet....oh gawd not 
                     | my feet.....sooo ticklish
       *mystic rain* | lol...mine too nik
      ~Lady Justine~ | umm no Gr Pa a freind sent that over the e mail to 
                     | me
              *Lynn* | touches can heal, you know
                Erek | NS - too long a list to tell all, but from the 
                     | softest finger-tip just grazing an earlobe or 
                     | jaw-line to the strongest I feel is safe
      ~Lady Justine~ | i cut and pasted it.. taking out all the persoanl 
                     | stuff
       MoL's Katie J | so they can, Lynn, so they can. :)
              marieM | i had my feet caned only once the bottoms
              *Lynn* | huggs Katie, smooch <s>
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | NS likes small kisses on the neck
              marieM | it wouldn't have been so bad except..
   *Michael's nikki* | Ohhh ouchie, sis...ouchie!!
       *mystic rain* | waves to Katie <s>
              marieM | actually
              marieM | nikki
*Night Spirit [HOST] | how many here like soft sweet gentle kisses on the 
                     | back of the neck
              marieM | it was Micahel was doing to the front of me that 
                     | bothered me more
~Mystery~ <collared> | everyone loves small kissses on the neck kinda sets 
                     | fire to
~Mystery~ <collared> | you
   *Michael's nikki* | ROFL
      fit to be tied | me.. me... me
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Mystery hugs licks and touches on all those cute 
                     | places you have
       *mystic rain* | me....me...
~Mystery~ <collared> | hugs and licks kisses sis
       *mystic rain* | <----back of the knees <s>
      fit to be tied | oh yes mystic
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | I also like to be NS's living bra. Gentle holding.
~Mystery~ <collared> | hows it going sis and Master De Sade
                Erek | Kisa says neck nibbles don't set fire to her, but 
                     | they sure feel good. <g>
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Good mystery
~Mystery~ <collared> | <s>
       MoL's Katie J | lol, GrandPa
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Mystery good, tonight we are discussing the softer 
                     | side--gentle kisses and touch
~Mystery~ <collared> | yep i know >~~~ was Lady Justine
       MoL's Katie J | I like to use different textures .. to tease, to 
                     | tantalize and excite
            ~wrywry~ | <morph>
~Mystery~ <collared> | nope switch wry wry
   *Michael's nikki* | sis......d'ya think Michael would let me keep my 
                     | shoes *on*???   LOL
*Night Spirit [HOST] | ok Mystery--hotseat time--what gentle touches rock 
                     | your boat?
              marieM | last night i was at a PEP meeting, they have a 
                     | wonderful full body bondage
              marieM | harness made out of leather that is suspened by a 
                     | winch... actually it's like
              marieM | mediatin to be up there.. swinging.. alone.. it was 
                     | a good sensation, if you
              marieM | like suspension' which i do .
~Mystery~ <collared> | well ones to the neck as i said,. and the ones that 
                     | touch
~Mystery~ <collared> | but dont quite sis
              marieM | mediation <S>
~Mystery~ <collared> | and a good old cat o nine tails across my back
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | We have a paddle that has rough rope on one side 
                     | and sandpaper on the other.
~Mystery~ <collared> | luv the feel of the leather
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | When used gently, as a rubbing impliment, it's an 
                     | interesting sensation.
*Night Spirit [HOST] | so Mystery you like a contrast of sensations?
~Mystery~ <collared> | <shies> away from GrPA and that paddle.. think im 
                     | still
~Mystery~ <collared> | owed about 20 slaps
   *Michael's nikki* | How *high* up is it, marie????
~Mystery~ <collared> | yes sis., one sensetion is and gets boring
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | We are doing gentle today mystery, you are safe.
              marieM | i should explain.. this is in a large industrial 
                     | type building the ceiling is
              marieM | high. i was probable 8 -12 feet off the ground
      fit to be tied | being bound in leather strips is a wonderful 
                     | sensation
*Night Spirit [HOST] | so how many here like the contrast a swat on the 
                     | rear followed by a sweet kiss,
*Night Spirit [HOST] | hot wax followed by ice....
~Mystery~ <collared> | <sighs> of relief Gr pa
              marieM | but it's your joice
              marieM | choice
~Mystery~ <collared> | sounds fun sis... use ice alot.. but not the hot 
                     | wax..
   *Michael's nikki* | woohooo!   <booking flight to CO>
               Jenni | I do NS
              *Lynn* | <has never had a swat
*Night Spirit [HOST] | fit you like the feel of leather bondage then?
      fit to be tied | oh very much....<G>
                Erek | NS - While that can be fun, such extreme contrasts 
                     | aren't always the best, sometimes the chance can be 
                     | one of texture, ---
   *Michael's nikki* | <SWATTTTTTT> Lynn
       *mystic rain* | <looks at Lyn....me either <sob>
      fit to be tied | it does not bite.... but holds firm
              *Lynn* | hehe nik.. <s>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | fit on wrists and ankle or other places?
      fit to be tied | smells wonderful
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Or soft gentle kisses on the neck, punctuated by a 
                     | paddling, flogging etc.?
       MoL's Katie J | ahh, yes, the aroma
      fit to be tied | arms and legs.... waist.. chest....
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Erek--continue
~Mystery~ <collared> | only use leather myself sis ....
                Erek | chance = change
      fit to be tied | kinda like a full body hug
       *mystic rain* | mmm...sounds wonderful fit <s>
      fit to be tied | oh mystic,..... it really REALLY sends me places
              marieM | yes leather is the softest of textures for a lot of 
                     | things , even floggers..
              marieM | are like a body massage.. when used that way
      fit to be tied | he doesn't even need to touch me... i am already 
                     | gone
*Night Spirit [HOST] | how many others here like the sensation of 
                     | bondage--just the feel of being
*Night Spirit [HOST] | bound like a body hug?
                Erek | If I'm kissing, perhaps I'll nip or suck or change 
                     | off to a touch of my hand or of some leather --- 
                     | the sensations are still soft,
              *Lynn* | I do
                Erek | but the contrast makes the reactions
               Jenni | I do
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Erek what type of reactions happen when contrast is 
                     | done in such a manner?
      fit to be tied | he also uses a reall soft rope to do a full body 
                     | web..... now that is something
      fit to be tied | to experience
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | How many like the anticipation of just having that 
                     | flogger draped over you, or
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | the paddle run along you. Gently, with no idea if 
                     | it will strike harder of not?
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Is that part of it?
      fit to be tied | oh very much GrPa
                Erek | NS - Now that depends on to whom it's being done 
                     | and also where on them <G>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | fit now that sounds like quite a sensation
               Jenni | Yes GrPa
              marieM | definetly <S> GRPa
              *Lynn* | it's such a contrast with my high pressure
              *Lynn* | existence..the inabilty to control is very very 
                     | erotic
      fit to be tied | it is NS...<G>
                Erek | Generally I like to hear that little inhaled gasp 
                     | <s>
               Jenni | same here Lynn
      fit to be tied | i am sure it could be arranged in September
~Mystery~ <collared> | i havde to be silent ..
              *Lynn* | <S@Jenni>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Erek I think that is it--anticipation <sp>
            ~wrywry~ | we watched him do a Japanese thingie playing truth 
                     | or dare yesterday, fit...
~Mystery~ <collared> | im not allowed to show my pleasure..
            ~wrywry~ | there weren't a pair of dry panties in the house.. 
                     | so I can well imagine..
      fit to be tied | yep.... he does that to me a lot wry... it is 
                     | really amazing
              *Lynn* | lol.. wry wry.. that is the truth
*Night Spirit [HOST] | <--loves to watch japanese bondage can be so sexy
       *mystic rain* | yep! lol
      fit to be tied | yea... he told me about that
            ~wrywry~ | Dirk was incredible, NS
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Mystery why not?
              *Lynn* | he was..
                Erek | NS - Certainly part of it is anticipation - and not 
                     | knowing for certain what comes next, but there are 
                     | times when the softest ---
           LIAM WILL | <agrees with Erek about the inhaled gasp. such a 
                     | turn on
              marieM | Mistress Midori came her for a bondage demo.. it 
                     | was very complicated
              *Lynn* | fit fit.. we kept saying.. lucky fit fit <s>
                Erek | touch *sets-up the sub.
              marieM | has to be soooooooooo patient for that
              marieM | ========no patient
~Mystery~ <collared> | tisnt allowed NS, one of my own faults im afraid
              marieM | patience that is
      fit to be tied | i am really sorry i misses it actually.... i am 
                     | usually so far gone by the time
      fit to be tied | he is done i have no idea what is going on... 
                     | although he has shown me pictures
*Night Spirit [HOST] | I have seen Midori in person do it was incredible
~Mystery~ <collared> | got a little cocky and escaped my binds.. tis a 
                     | punshment
                Erek | It's a great way to both start nad to care for 
                     | after a scene
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Mystery well maybe you'll learn next time
      fit to be tied | oh yes Erek.... very true
~Mystery~ <collared> | me learn sis that'll be a first <g>
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | How about something cold applied gently. Cold 
                     | chain, etc.? that gets a gasp, as
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | well as some confusion, and uncertanty as to what 
                     | will be done next.
                Erek | Subs still surfacing from sub-space are, well kisa 
                     | says "stupid", which is the wrong word I think, but 
                     | y'all know what she means
      fit to be tied | i don't find cold gentle at all....
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Erek do you and kisa enjoy cuddling esp after a 
                     | scene you both enjoyed together
*Night Spirit [HOST] | or do you find it difficult to go to that
~Mystery~ <collared> | i love cold things down my back specailly ice.. 
                     | rubed into
~Mystery~ <collared> | my skin.. down the back of my legs... <wow>
                Erek | and to treat one to these little tender touch 
                     | changes is just right.
      fit to be tied | but now.... clothes pins.... applied slowly... then 
                     | removed after a veru short
      fit to be tied | period of time is very erotic
                Erek | We enjoy cuddles often, tho not always.
            ~wrywry~ | but not gentle, eh, fit?
*Night Spirit [HOST] | fit clothes pins on nipples or all over?
      fit to be tied | all over
      fit to be tied | almost too much on the nipples for me
                Erek | Sometimes *I'm* too wound-up to cuddle
   *Michael's nikki* | <winces>
       *mystic rain* | clothes pins??? <wow....i have a lot to learn>
              *Lynn* | <can take alot of nipple pain..
      fit to be tied | <making mental note>
              *Lynn* | LOL
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Doesn't cuddling help ease a submissive back down 
                     | after a scene?
      fit to be tied | cuddling after is an absolute must for me
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Erek when you decide on a scene do you start off 
                     | gentle and build up?
               Jenni | absolute must <s>
                Erek | And sometimes, usually after a very hard but good 
                     | scene, kisa sorta puddles somewhere for awhile
               Jenni | yes, it does, GrPa
*Night Spirit [HOST] | ah Erek so leaving her to puddle is her cuddle for 
                     | that time
              marieM | yes puddle is a good word i feel like that.. 
                     | usually I get rather cold
              marieM | sometimes even shakey
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Yes erik, I know what you mean
      fit to be tied | it is very difficult for me to submit.... given my 
                     | personality and all....
      fit to be tied | without it...the cuddling and reassurance.... could 
                     | be some lingering internal
      fit to be tied | damage
~Mystery~ <collared> | well its time i was in bed gotta get up for work in 
                     | the morn
~Mystery~ <collared> | in about 4 hours to be exact
               Jenni | I *understand* fit <s>
                Erek | NS - Most often yes - but not always, sometimes 
                     | I'll start with a few quick hard swats from a crop 
                     | say -just to see how she is going
                Erek | to react
       *mystic rain* | goodnight Mystery <s>
~Mystery~ <collared> | <<<<< sis>>>> Master De Sade Night all
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | OK, bye mystery, Nice to see you again.
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Nighty night sis
               Jenni | 'nite Mystery
              *Lynn* | night Mys
~Mystery~ <collared> | licks and kisses sis... in places that are erotic..
~Mystery~ <collared> | night all
   Master of Leisure | nite,,,mystery
~Mystery~ <collared> | Nighterz
~Mystery~ <collared> | cya next week
*Night Spirit [HOST] | ok so all how important is gentlness before during 
                     | and after sceneing?
      fit to be tied | afte a must
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | How many like gentle bites on their body?
      fit to be tied | after
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Sorry NS
               Jenni | Really, really high NS
       *mystic rain* | afraid i must leave also....time to put kids to bed 
                     | ....thank you NS and
       *mystic rain* | GdPa....and Katie...
   *Michael's nikki* | after
      fit to be tied | before and during.... not necessary.... depends on 
                     | what he is trying to do...
             bad boy | hi all
       *mystic rain* | sorry  to miss the rest of this....
*Night Spirit [HOST] | night rain and thanks for all your help this evening
              *Lynn* | I like gentle bites until I get near climax.. then 
                     | it has
              *Lynn* | to be hard..
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Night mystery
   *Michael's nikki* | (((((((  mystic ))))))))  night hon  :)
              *Lynn* | night rainy <s> kiss
            ~wrywry~ | I'm recording sis..
                Erek | NS - That's pretty much individualistic, I know a 
                     | few bottoms and subs who want no touches or 
                     | cuddling after a scene.
       *mystic rain* | see you all later....NS and GdPa...see you next week
           LIAM WILL | nite, mystic
       *mystic rain* | ohh good wry <s>
               Boris | HI all
               Jenni | nite rain
              marieM | usually always after, sometimes not before 
                     | depending on the play, but i always
              marieM | feel prepared..
*Night Spirit [HOST] | ah how many here don't want any touch during climax 
                     | just want to ride it--or do
*Night Spirit [HOST] | you want it during the action?
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | The CO are posted in two places.
      fit to be tied | Erek.... do you think that is a way to distance 
                     | themselves from the top....
      fit to be tied | reestablish themselves?
   Master of Leisure | I have yet to meet a sub/slave or bottom who did 
                     | not like
   Master of Leisure | cuddling or gentle touches after a scene...Erek
              *Lynn* | I have to be bitten
   *Michael's nikki* | Riddddddde the wave, NS    <s>
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | I can only tell you one here. That is in the Lib, - 
                     | D/s gallery.
              marieM | i used to not like to be touched, i have since 
                     | learned otherwise
                Erek | fit - could be - that or just that they need to 
                     | find themselves again and can't deal with anyone 
                     | until they do
      fit to be tied | <nodding>.... i can see that easily
*Night Spirit [HOST] | so basically it is a mixed bag
      fit to be tied | i think i depends on the relationship
*Night Spirit [HOST] | ok biting---who likes it and where?
            ~wrywry~ | yes -- and all over..
              *Lynn* | I like it immensely..
               Jenni | I do...........everywhere
              *Lynn* | nipples..neck shoulders..butt
              marieM | most places yes
              *Lynn* | thighgs
      fit to be tied | if it is a commitment.... more than just 
                     | top/bottom.... i would think the
      fit to be tied | cuddling would be very important
             bad boy | butt and pecs
*Night Spirit [HOST] | ok wry--nibbles or all out bites?
            ~wrywry~ | both..
   *Michael's nikki* | <<----- *likes*     nipples, neck, 
                     | ass.....er.....NOT feet  <g>
                Erek | fit - I think kisa is sorta that way when she 
                     | puddles, equally tho she usually does so close 
                     | enough to touch me, even if she ...
           LIAM WILL | where were you girls when marv albert needed you?
                Erek | doesn't do so for a few minutes.
      fit to be tied | <nodding>
      fit to be tied | just the nearness can be enough
   Master of Leisure | shakes,,LIAM.....chucklng
              marieM | i think some type of contact, warmth even in a Top 
                     | Bottom scene is good
                Erek | I respect that slight distancing, so I haven't 
                     | really priesd into it.
      fit to be tied | but if you walked away from her.... would she be ok?
       MoL's Katie J | <biting lip at the *g* word>
           LIAM WILL | thanks MoL
            ~wrywry~ | <spitting for our Kate>
               Jenni | good self control Katie <g>
              marieM | not just the immediate time afterwards, but the 
                     | next day as well if it was a
              marieM | heavy scene
               Jenni | it was a slip of the tongue.........
      fit to be tied | nicely done KJ
              marieM | sometype of contact even a phone call
       MoL's Katie J | danke, wrywry :)
              *Lynn* | lol
      fit to be tied | <laffin>.... the song on the cd has the line....%it 
                     | don't feel good until it
      fit to be tied | hurts..%
              *Lynn* | rofl
*Night Spirit [HOST] | <ggl>
      fit to be tied | <thinking i resemble that remark>
              *Lynn* | i have a question
*Night Spirit [HOST] | yes sometimes a gentle word can be as much as a 
                     | cuddle
*Night Spirit [HOST] | yes Lynn?
                Erek | I'll give you one more personal effect, if we don't 
                     | cuddle some right after then *I'm the one who is 
                     | usally hyper
              *Lynn* | why..when I love being bitten am I so afraid of 
                     | being
              *Lynn* | paddled?
      fit to be tied | <nodding at Erek>.... i think Dirk is the same 
                     | way... he needs to make sure *I*
      fit to be tied | am ok
               Jenni | fear of the unknown?
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | How about feathers anyone?
   *Michael's nikki* | Can anyone assist me in understanding why a close 
                     | friend has quite severe
   *Michael's nikki* | flashbacks a day or so after scening????
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Lynn anticipation fear of the pain....me it's 
                     | canings, I seem to like them but
*Night Spirit [HOST] | fear it
            ~wrywry~ | <listening>
              *Lynn* | I get angry.. big time..
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Talk to me after the CO nikki. i might have some 
                     | ideas.
              *Lynn* | the one time..
              *Lynn* | I got smacked once
                Erek | Lynn - they are completely different feelings, so 
                     | you may not take to a paddle --- different strokes, 
                     | etc.
   *Michael's nikki* | Thanks, GPDS   <hug>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | nikki not unusual..yep GrPa can help you about that
              *Lynn* | it was a good thing I was tied tightly
              marieM | it might have been the person
              marieM | didn't prepare you.. or the feel of it for that 
                     | time wasn't right for you
              *Lynn* | it was my husband, marie
              marieM | have you tried paddle on yourself?
              *Lynn* | no
            ~wrywry~ | but was it during play?
              *Lynn* | yes
              marieM | any interest?
              marieM | i mean to feel that sensation
              *Lynn* | never even thought about it, marie
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | How about gently blowing on someone?
              marieM | or process it
*Night Spirit [HOST] | well like fireplay--I love fireplay, love the 
                     | feeling but will only alow
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Mistress Whiplash to do it on me---
      fit to be tied | yummmmm GrPa
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Or in someone's ear?
      fit to be tied | or how about rabbit fur.....<melting sigh>
              *Lynn* | that is so erotic..<s>
              marieM | i think to experience those sesnation we have 
                     | thought about.. is good..
              marieM | although i have had others.. that just intrique me
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | rabbit fur is nioce too.
              *Lynn* | blowing in a wet ear.. Mmmmm
*Night Spirit [HOST] | I use this kuma sutra oil on GrandPa's back during 
                     | massage and blow on it--it
*Night Spirit [HOST] | warms up slightly--he loves it
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Nice even
   *Michael's nikki* | Ohh NS.....can you descibe the sensations you feel 
                     | during fire-play???
                Erek | GPDS  - Now there you've hit one of my stronger 
                     | contrasts --- I like to use TigerBalm on certain 
                     | areas and then blow gently...
      fit to be tied | he uses it after rolling that blasted pin wheel 
                     | over me... very interesting
      fit to be tied | contrast
                Erek | across those areas after it's had time to work <g>
              marieM | a friend of mine has a single tail of fur with 
                     | weights throughout, holly cow it
              marieM | was as gentle then.. WHAP.. it was as stingie as 
                     | any single tail i felt
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | I tried it to. (I like to have some idea what she's 
                     | feeling. It's nice. (Fire
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | play)
              *Lynn* | what IS fireplay?
*Night Spirit [HOST] | nikki she puts baby oil on my back (or whereever) 
                     | and then this cool mix of
*Night Spirit [HOST] | alcohol (70) and water and lights it with the 
                     | violet wand--what I feel is warm,
*Night Spirit [HOST] | (less then wax) and then coolness when gone
              *Lynn* | <<duh
            ~wrywry~ | yes, NS, please tell us..
              marieM | i hate that thing fit.. Michael has one too
                Erek | Shudder - that's one of my limits - got a thing 
                     | about burns
              marieM | you dont' burn Erek if it done right
*Night Spirit [HOST] | fit I have that on me while it is electrified--very 
                     | intense
      fit to be tied | i actually love it Marie.... but it makes me jump
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | The fire MUST be put out fast, or it can burn 
                     | skin!!!<<<<<<<<
                Erek | marie - True - but accidents happen and just the 
                     | sight of the flames is enough to turn me off.
   *Michael's nikki* | <<---- crossing fingers and hoping to try it soon
      fit to be tied | OMG....<looking at nikki then to NS... turning pale 
                     | again>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Erek never been burned but then only Mistress W can 
                     | do it, she is planning on
*Night Spirit [HOST] | teaching GrPa how to do it
              marieM | nikki, some people use a cup..
              marieM | rolling is called
   *Michael's nikki* | <wiggling eyebrows at fit>
                Erek | NS - never say never <knocking on wood>
            ~wrywry~ | for what Marie?
              marieM | the suctions with the heat.. is easier to control
              *Lynn* | I must leave.. huggs my friends <s> Thank you NS
              *Lynn* | and GrandPa <curtseys>
              marieM | cause the oxegen is contained
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Bye Lynn
              marieM | it's a wild sensation..
      fit to be tied | hugssss Lynn
               Jenni | {{{bye Lynnie}}}
              *Lynn* | <blows kisses>
              marieM | especially on breasts
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Erek Mistress W teaches how to do it and safety 
                     | been doing it for 20 years--so
*Night Spirit [HOST] | I trust her
              marieM | but it's not as hot as you would think
   *Michael's nikki* | Michael has talked about cotton swabs soaked in 
                     | alcohol......
*Night Spirit [HOST] | seeya Lynn
              marieM | yes
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Remember, much of what we do can have accidents. 
                     | that's not necessarily a
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | reason not to do it.
   Master of Leisure | nite,,,Lynn..<s>
              marieM | then just over your skin
   *Michael's nikki* | NS......can I talk to you too about violet wands
              marieM | it's like a feathery touch
        Lord Warwick | is the conf over?
*Night Spirit [HOST] | sure nikki...or you can check out a website I am 
                     | building for the Mistress :)
*Night Spirit [HOST] | no Lord W
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | No Lord W
*Night Spirit [HOST] | ok feathers
                Erek | NS and GPDS - Believe me that I know what you're 
                     | saying, I forced myself to watch demos, but due to 
                     | my experiences in the
                Erek | service I cannot handle falmes on people.
                Erek | flames even - sheesh - sorry
            ~wrywry~ | that's certainly understandable, Erek
*Night Spirit [HOST] | I understand Erek beleive me
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | A VERY good reason Erek
*Night Spirit [HOST] | ok who here likes feathers
*Night Spirit [HOST] | and to be tickled
            ~wrywry~ | never did feathers <ggl>
      fit to be tied | make me itch
               Jenni | <<hates being tickled
      fit to be tied | hate being tickled
              marieM | me too
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | The CO lasts until 6, more or less.
              marieM | it's worse than anything
      fit to be tied | with me... being tickled... if bound... is an 
                     | absolute limit
      fit to be tied | will not happen... or nothing will ever happen again
       MoL's Katie J | <not ticklish, even a little.
                Erek | Kisa hates to be tickled also, but I've found I can 
                     | use a feathe - running the edge the wrong way along 
                     | a nipple say and get very good
*Night Spirit [HOST] | ok kisses going up the thigh and across the body? 
                     | anyone here like those?
                Erek | non-tickle reactions.
   *Michael's nikki* | <<---- extremely ticklish on my sides and feet
      fit to be tied | yummmmmm
               Jenni | oh hellllllllooooooo, yes NS <g>
                Erek | Have to be carefull not to push too hard as a 
                     | feathers edge used that way could possibly cut
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | How about someone rubbing your head lightly?
            ~wrywry~ | <waiting for ANYONE to say that they don't like 
                     | them>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | good idea Erek :)
            ~wrywry~ | face touches.. <swoon>
      fit to be tied | wonderful GrPa
      fit to be tied | pulling my hair works great too
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Actually, some people don't want any kind of gentle 
                     | in a scene.
*Night Spirit [HOST] | fit pulling gentle or hard?
      fit to be tied | depends.....
               Jenni | oh yesssssss, fit
      fit to be tied | but not tearing it out
               Jenni | pulling the hair and kissing at the same 
                     | time........awesome
                Erek | fit - you and kisa both <g> and not a few others too
*Night Spirit [HOST] | I have one I do, I have very long nails, I stroke 
                     | them gentley on the forearm
*Night Spirit [HOST] | of someone
      fit to be tied | Dirk spends a lot of time touching my hair.... 
                     | arranging it and rearranging it
      fit to be tied | during a scene
                Erek | Seems one of the best command gesturess around is 
                     | to at least tug on a subs hair <g>
               Jenni | agree Erek
      fit to be tied | oh yes Erek
            ~wrywry~ | <nod>
   *Michael's nikki* | <<--- LOVES my hair being tugged as a kinda 
                     | re-enforcement of the
   *Michael's nikki* | instruction....
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Pulling hair tends to get ones attention quickly. 
                     | Even gently.
      fit to be tied | sure does
                Erek | <=== very close to being a hair fetishist anyway, 
                     | so I have kisa wear hers very long
               Jenni | perfectly <s>
      fit to be tied | <nodding at Erek>
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Does anyone NOT like having their hair pulled, even 
                     | gently?
                Erek | There is a lot of power feeling my hand enmeshed in 
                     | a mane of hair.
              marieM | i love to have my hair pulled, but hates when it 
                     | get stuck in something <S>
              marieM | wierd huh
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | I guess that is everyone for it then.
            ~wrywry~ | and much power attached with feeling the enmeshed 
                     | hand..
               Jenni | <s> @ silkie
   *Michael's nikki* | <<-- was gonna get hair extensions before coming to 
                     | CA but there seems little
   *Michael's nikki* | point as Michael loves to pull hair,
      fit to be tied | laffin
      fit to be tied | here nikki... you can borrow some of mine
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Anyone have something we are missing before I say 
                     | the next thing in my mind.
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Something soft and gentle?
   *Michael's nikki* | <laughing>   Waste of my good money......I'll wait 
                     | till I come home, I
   *Michael's nikki* | think.....LOL
                Erek | nikki - kisa's is past waist length now and today 
                     | at the beach I heard someone say "Oh that's just a 
                     | cheap weave" --- Choked
      fit to be tied | well.....
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | nikki, I was able to pull NS's hair with 
                     | extensions. You just need to grip near
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | the head.
      fit to be tied | there are those really neat leather... what are 
                     | they.... hand glove thing
      fit to be tied | <laffin>
                Erek | Sprayed Iced tea all over and said to 'em "Guess 
                     | again!"
      fit to be tied | like pouches
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Soft leather, that's a good one
   *Michael's nikki* | REALLY???  GPDS!!!!    <perk>
      fit to be tied | the inside is really soft....
      fit to be tied | but i can't touch anything
           LIAM WILL | One needs a full grip on hair, so as to spread the 
                     | force. correct?
      fit to be tied | very very cool
            ~wrywry~ | they're on you, fit?
      fit to be tied | over the hands
      fit to be tied | buckle at the wrist
                Erek | like mittens?
      fit to be tied | yes.... but without thumbs
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Yes nikki. Ask the hairdresser. Some methods work 
                     | better than others. But
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | griping near the head he is getting your hair,, not 
                     | the extensions.
                Erek | Bondage mitts.
      fit to be tied | with a large metal o ring at the top
      fit to be tied | yes those
      fit to be tied | wonderful invention those
   *Michael's nikki* | I once had a chilled chainmale glove ran over my 
                     | ass after a flogging......I
   *Michael's nikki* | damn near screamed....
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Gloves are great for isolating the sense of touch.
      fit to be tied | wow nikki
   *Michael's nikki* | It felt like fire and not cold at all
      fit to be tied | how about a scene were you are not touched at all
      fit to be tied | only words and suggestion... after some sort of 
                     | bondage
      fit to be tied | blindfold a must
   *Michael's nikki* | <<--- would go nuts, fit.....
      fit to be tied | oh no nikki.... you wouldn't
      fit to be tied | very powerful....
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Even a rabbit fur glove after a paddling causes 
                     | interesting reactions.
      fit to be tied | very erotic... and suggestive
                Erek | fur before, during -and- after <g>
               Jenni | oooooo, I believe you fit
      fit to be tied | such as hell surprised me
   *Michael's nikki* | fit...I would beg for anything after 10 seconds of 
                     | that......<wink>
      fit to be tied | nikki.... i doubt that...<BFG>
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | How about verbal humiliation? Not sure it belongs 
                     | here, but it's not a hard
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | physical impact. But an entire scen can be 
                     | conducted this way with no actual
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | pain.
      fit to be tied | nope.... wouldn't work for me
                Erek | Not my thang
               Jenni | never
      fit to be tied | well... depends
   *Michael's nikki* | No thank you....
      fit to be tied | what do you mean by humiliation
   Master of Leisure | I am not into that...GPDS
                Erek | Any sub of mine is an extension of me and why would 
                     | I treat myself so???
   Master of Leisure | nods at erek
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Depends on the person. Some get off on being 
                     | vocally degraded for instance
   *Michael's nikki* | Excellent Erek.....(noting this down)
            ~wrywry~ | thank you, Erek <s>
               Jenni | <<--has to go, thank you GrPa and NS.........it has 
                     | been
               Jenni | great!   Nite all.
                Erek | I agree there are those as need that, but they and 
                     | I would be very mismatched kinks
   Master of Leisure | nite,,,jenni
      fit to be tied | again..... must define "degraded"..... what is 
                     | degrading in the vanilla word is
      fit to be tied | very different in the D/s world
   *Michael's nikki* | Night Jenni  <~waving
      fit to be tied | nite Jenni... hugs
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | I give my submissives what they want, because I 
                     | like to see them happy, and
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | some like humiliation.
            ~wrywry~ | night Jen <s>
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | bye jenni
   Master of Leisure | I have had a sub who liked humiliation..GPDS....i 
                     | was not
   Master of Leisure | comfortable doing that......
                Erek | Hmmm - I've said "Serve with humility, not *in 
                     | humiliation."
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Well, sometimes NS likes to be called, bitch, told 
                     | she deserves the punishment
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | she is getting. told she is there only to please me
*Night Spirit [HOST] | <--likes being called bitch, slut and other lovley 
                     | names, and as he spanks
      fit to be tied | i would have a problem with most of that i 
                     | think.....
*Night Spirit [HOST] | saying I deserve this--<swoon> <relurk>
      fit to be tied | <laffin>.... well that GrPa... that is cool with 
                     | me..
   Master of Leisure | I dont have a problem with that..GPDS...i meant a 
                     | lot more
   Master of Leisure | than taht
              Scotty | Hi folks
      fit to be tied | being publicly embarassed just for the sake of 
                     | it... that is a problem
                Erek | Sometimes the words are endearments and not 
                     | humiliating in the slightest, but then I'm not sure 
                     | where the line on that is.
       MoL's Katie J | hiya Scotty .. just walked in on the tail end of 
                     | our D/s conference :)
*Night Spirit [HOST] | if we are hot an heavy and he spits on me --well 
                     | colour me happy
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | She likes to be told she is no better than a hole 
                     | in the bed. It works because
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | she knows for certain that that is NOT how I feel 
                     | about her at all.
*Night Spirit [HOST] | <--is a sick puppy
      fit to be tied | LOL NS
      fit to be tied | well that is it.... now who is really in control 
                     | there..<g>
   Master of Leisure | chuckling..depends on where he spits....
            ~wrywry~ | <laffing> the Master of course..
                Erek | HMMM - that brings the idea for a CO topic to mind
              marieM | NS.. that is becasue GrandPa is saying it.. and now 
                     | one else.. <S> understands
      fit to be tied | <looking at wry>
              marieM | no one else that is
   *Michael's nikki* | I don't think I would handle that type of scene well
      fit to be tied | yes.... it is the conncection with that person that 
                     | makes it safe and exciting
      fit to be tied | and erotic.... not degrading
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | The submissive, we don't play if she isn't willing. 
                     | Where would I be if she
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | left? Playing with myself? She can stop the scene 
                     | at any time.
      fit to be tied | if someone else tried it.... i would put them in 
                     | the hospital
                Erek | fit - well that great answer just blew away a CO 
                     | topic <g>
      fit to be tied | <laffin>. opppsss
                Erek | <balling up note and p-13 toss
      fit to be tied | but i like to be in control...<wink>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | wait--you play with yourself--GrPa I will come 
                     | upstairs for that
   Master of Leisure | laffffin
*Night Spirit [HOST] | can I help you play with yourself?
      fit to be tied | LOL nS
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Harsh words can be very gentle in this context.
            ~wrywry~ | <laffing>
      fit to be tied | yes... very....
                Erek | GPDS - Exactly
                Erek | But is that really humiliation play?
      fit to be tied | they really work with me.... in context..... with 
                     | that person i am connected
      fit to be tied | to... and trust completely
*Night Spirit [HOST] | ok last thing on here---licks--who loves the tongue?
                Erek | Not as I've had others define it, it isn't even 
                     | close.
      fit to be tied | MEEEEEEEE
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | She knows what I am saying to her, I am saying 
                     | because she wants me too, not
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | because I feel that way.
            ~wrywry~ | <waving hand wildly>
   *Michael's nikki* | More MEEEEEEEEEEE than fit
      fit to be tied | oppsss....damn... being over eager again
                Erek | Sheesh - Greedy, thy name is sub
      fit to be tied | oh good... nikki... you can take point
                Erek | <g>
   *Michael's nikki* | LOL fit.......eager is *good*
            ~wrywry~ | <laffing>
       MoL's Katie J | <loves to give tongue <g>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | <--loves to lick and loves being licked
      fit to be tied | LOL Erek,,,,,, ya know,,, Dirk has said that to 
                     | me.... oooo... about three
      fit to be tied | times a week anymore
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Yes, erek, because she can put herself in a place 
                     | where it is safe to feel the
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | humiliation and the sting of the words safely.
*Night Spirit [HOST] | esp. soft sensative areas
   *Michael's nikki* | Cya soo, Katie  <smiling>
      fit to be tied | but that is not what i would call humilation 
                     | GrPa.... maybe it is just semantics
                Erek | GdPa -I think you and I are agreeing about one set 
                     | of circumstances, but missing the cues on another 
                     | --- perhaps another time
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | It is safe for her to feel humiliated on some level.
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | There are many levels here. I agree erek
                Erek | This should be a CO topic
      fit to be tied | hmmmmm..... i have never really thought that the 
                     | feeling i get in that
      fit to be tied | circumstance is humilation..... i might have to 
                     | think about that....
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | That might just be a good idea.
       MoL's Katie J | yes, Erek, you are correct
              marieM | i gotta go.. thanks for the CO all night
      fit to be tied | but it makes me feel owned and loved and cared 
                     | for... conncected... nothing bad
   Master of Leisure | nite,,,,marie
                Erek | G'nite marie
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Night marie
      fit to be tied | nite marie...<g>
   *Michael's nikki* | (((((((( sis ))))))))  Talk to you later, marie
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Erek GrPa can call me names, leave me on the floor, 
                     | tie me to a slot machine,
*Night Spirit [HOST] | make me kiss his shoes--YOU can't---I trust and 
                     | know he loves me--and it is a
*Night Spirit [HOST] | game
                Erek | Katie - you made the note? <g>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | not real
       MoL's Katie J | yes, Erek .. I'm a sub, I do details
                Erek | NS - We agree there
      fit to be tied | agree too NS....
                Erek | Nor would I support anything else
   Master of Leisure | and she does them very well....Erek
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | But, it is also safe for you to let yourself feel 
                     | humiliasted with me NS,
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | correct?
*Night Spirit [HOST] | only with you GrPa--also you know words which are 
                     | ok and ones that aren't
                Erek | MOL - No intention of mis-steeping there - was a 
                     | serious question, well mostly - pardon any 
                     | intrusion.
      fit to be tied | that takes time to build.... but can be very 
                     | powerful
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | True.
      fit to be tied | when the trust is there.... it is amazing
   Master of Leisure | no problem...eriek..understood
   *Michael's nikki* | I think you would have to have built up a real 
                     | strong relationship before
   *Michael's nikki* | engaging in humiliation play.......yes?
             ~S¢ôrp~ | Hiya all <tiptoeing through all the chains and 
                     | spreaders
             ~S¢ôrp~ | and taking a safe seet at the back>
      fit to be tied | i only focus on him.... not anything else... that 
                     | is his job.... that draws me
      fit to be tied | closer to him... and i can do just about anything 
                     | he asks
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Katie. Another suggestion for a future CO that was 
                     | given to me was the
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | differences between B&D, D/s, S&M
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Erek sorry I missed part of this--what is a good 
                     | topic?
                Erek | I think we need to really discover/define what is 
                     | humiliation - and what isn't here --- D/s has a lot 
                     | of places that ...
       MoL's Katie J | hugs, Scorp :-)
      fit to be tied | is last weeks posted?
       MoL's Katie J | yes, GrandPa <s>
                Erek | sound the same as mundane, but part company right 
                     | after that.
      fit to be tied | i agree Erek....
             ~S¢ôrp~ | {{{{{{Katie}}}}}}}
   Master of Leisure | hello..Scorp
             ~S¢ôrp~ | Hiya Hosts
      fit to be tied | what pther people may define as humilation.... just 
                     | isn't with me... with the
      fit to be tied | right person
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | I think so fit
                Erek | door - brb
             ~S¢ôrp~ | ^5 MoL, congratulations bro
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | It's been submitted anyway
   Master of Leisure | ^5....Scorp.....and thanks
      fit to be tied | really sorry i missed last week... stuck in an 
                     | airport
             ~S¢ôrp~ | :o)
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Erek good idea--another one was difference between 
                     | male & female subs and male
*Night Spirit [HOST] | & females Doms
   *Michael's nikki* | Tied up, were you, fit???   LOL
*Night Spirit [HOST] | lol nikki
   Master of Leisure | lafffin...me too..fit......for the last two weeks
            ~wrywry~ | very good idea, NS
                Erek | bak - kisa home from the shore with shrimp for 
                     | dinner <g>
           LIAM WILL | females are, by nature, meaner?
      fit to be tied | LOL nikki.... yes.. Dirk and i were both having 
                     | real trouble finding place in
      fit to be tied | that hell hole called Dullas International
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Erek I will be right over
      fit to be tied | planes
*Night Spirit [HOST] | ok any last words?
           The Beast | Evening
             ~S¢ôrp~ | I wouldn't say meaner, just nastier when p*ssed 
                     | <ducking>
             ~S¢ôrp~ | LOL
       MoL's Katie J | I have the topic notes
*Night Spirit [HOST] | good Miss Katie
      fit to be tied | you need the soft to excentuate the hard....
           LIAM WILL | <ducked earlier, still layin' low>
      fit to be tied | <wishing she could spell>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Ladies and Gentlemen once again thank you--remember 
                     | next week's is on nasty
*Night Spirit [HOST] | tricks doms play on their subs for their pleasure
      fit to be tied | there should be balance... and variation....
      fit to be tied | oh dear NS...<LOL>
       MoL's Katie J | The announcement will go out early this week ...... 
                     | as I am going to meet MoL
       MoL's Katie J | .. so look for it on Wed
*Night Spirit [HOST] | fit that says it perfectly
            ~wrywry~ | thanks NS, GrPa.. and the sweet Kate.. <s>
   *Michael's nikki* | <<---- is gonn amke damn sure Michael is here for 
                     | *that* one......LOL
       MoL's Katie J | the list is in my computer here in jersey :)
   Master of Leisure | you can do it here.....katie
      fit to be tied | <G>..... <looking proud>
                Erek | Thanks GPDS, NS and MOL's Katie --- another good CO
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Katie you gonna be down south huh?
      fit to be tied | thank you all.... great CO
       MoL's Katie J | thanks to everyone for attending :)
           LIAM WILL | Thanks to all who were responsible, and all who 
                     | gave input for this CO
   Master of Leisure | she sure is,,,,,NS...wink
       MoL's Katie J | yes, NS, I will
      fit to be tied | <doing the happy dance for KJ>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | MOL wanna make a quick flight north <wink>
             ~S¢ôrp~ | awwwwww I missed it :o(
   Master of Leisure | thanks,,,,GPDS,,,NS and my katie...
       MoL's Katie J | he may untie me for next week's CO
       MoL's Katie J | <laffin
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Katie I hope not
                Erek | NS - You're welcome to come for the shrimp, but I 
                     | don't think you'll get here in time <g>!
            ~wrywry~ | <chairdancing in a big way for the MoL's>
   Master of Leisure | hehehe....gots a lots of things planned for the next
   Master of Leisure | week..katie will be tied up for that time,,,NS..
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Erek ----then a raincheck
   Master of Leisure | smiling at wry wry....hugggingher
            ~wrywry~ | NS.. he should just cater our next CO <g>
                Erek | Next time y'all are in Seattle, youbetcha
*Night Spirit [HOST] | well gotta clean out the old db--I am a helper in 
                     | 1/2 hour <scarey thoughts>
   *Michael's nikki* | NS.......can I ask how *available* violet wands are 
                     | in the US??
   Master of Leisure | hmmm...Seattle...like that town
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Erek only 1 1/2hr flight
*Night Spirit [HOST] | nikki very much
       MoL's Katie J | <smooching wrywrywrywry>
            ~wrywry~ | <waving> night to those who aren't coming back to 
                     | the room...
 GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Very easily nikki
                Erek | wry - back to the room???
   Master of Leisure | Channel..10..Erek
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Erek on Inimate Chat (GO CB3) ch. 10 dom/submissive 
                     | room
                Erek | Oh sorry think of that as a channel not a room <DUH>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Initimate chat
*Night Spirit [HOST] | has the same basic rules as here
                Erek | Hmmmm - y'all know that PCEN has reopened 
                     | ALternatives section also
   *Michael's nikki* | Do you think I would have any trouble taking one 
                     | back to the UK thru customs???
*Night Spirit [HOST] | ask Mistress on that she would know
   Master of Leisure | nite...all...time to feed the doggies
*Night Spirit [HOST] | her email is on that site
       MoL's Katie J | kissssses, Master
   *Michael's nikki* | ok, NS.....
*Night Spirit [HOST] | <--is in vanish mode
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