Worship
********** 7/19/98 4:59 PM Begin logging Sub Pub - D/s.
~wrywry~ | what time is it there.
~wrywry~ | ?
daisy | Greetings to all
SideWinder(Berlin) | 2am
SideWinder(Berlin) | britain should be 1am though
*Night Spirit [HOST] | greetings all
~wrywry~ | huggggggs dais <s>
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | ((((((((((((( NS )))))))))))) me got in trouble
| for hugging you the other day!!!
SideWinder(Berlin) | eveing NS and everyone
~wrywry~ | hugggggggs NS <s>
daisy | <sdmooch> wry wry
daisy | Hugggerooos NS
*Night Spirit [HOST] | in trouble for hugging me?
*Night Spirit [HOST] | huggeroos daisy, wry
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | yeah in cb lol... i went to the welcome room and
| run in to give u a hug - Apple
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | gave me a warning
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | <giggle>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | well he explained it was an accident--he removed it
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | Oooooo ok =)
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | <just wondered since when it was a crime to hug
| people lol
*Night Spirit [HOST] | but it is cute you must have a very powerful hug
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | >S<
Lady A. | good evening NS
Lady A. | nice to see you again
*Night Spirit [HOST] | hugs Lady A, lovely seeing you :)
SideWinder(Berlin) | <-- is off to get another southy ginger ale
~wrywry~ | evening Lady A <s>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | /u
Dmi's crickett | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``waving at Night
| Spirit<s>
daisy | ginger ale sounds yummy
Owl | <sitting up suddenly> oops, I must have been
| napping. Hello, all.
Lady A. | hello wry
Dmi's crickett | hi again, wrywry
daisy | Hugggss crickie
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | ¸,«¤º* «°«°«´¯`·.¸>×cricky×<¸.·´¯`»°»°»*º¤»,¸
*Night Spirit [HOST] | hiya crickett--forgot not in trminal
daisy | Greetings Lady A
Lady A. | hello daisy
Dmi's crickett | ~~~~~waving at daisy!<S>
Dmi's crickett | is that ember?
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | uh huh
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | no longer ember "owned" =\
Owl | ??did you find and lose a mistress, ember?
Dmi's crickett | is that good or bad?
*Night Spirit [HOST] | announcement this is the last CO here in IChat, we
| are now moving to keychat
*Night Spirit [HOST] | (GO KEYCHAT) and soon (hopefully) to our own forum
~wrywry~ | <s> that would be wonderful.. you're a mover and
| shaker, NS <g>
Lady A. | <s>
Lady A. | kind of sad though
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | something like that Owl
*Night Spirit [HOST] | wry baby I am trying--in keychat I have loaded many
| great articles for you all
*Night Spirit [HOST] | to see
SideWinder(Berlin) | like what?
*Night Spirit [HOST] | well I can't load articles here--they want a
| weblink mentioned is all...and
*Night Spirit [HOST] | IChat doesn't allow weblinks
~wrywry~ | wonderful!
*Night Spirit [HOST] | candle play
*Night Spirit [HOST] | negotation
*Night Spirit [HOST] | mistress contracts
*Night Spirit [HOST] | sub pledges
Lady A. | Its a good move NS
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | wonderful
SideWinder(Berlin) | did you load them some time ago? because I think I
SideWinder(Berlin) | downloaded something like that a few days ago ..
Lady A. | I have visited often......
*Night Spirit [HOST] | what the 3 rings sub rings mean
Lady A. | wonderful forum
MoL's Katie J | Good evening :-)
SideWinder(Berlin) | evening
Lady A. | hello Katie
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | »»`*"*¤»»¸,«¤º*º¤»,¸««¤Katie
| J¤»»¸,«¤º*º¤»,¸««¤*"*´««
*Night Spirit [HOST] | here you can not put web links on them and most
| authours want that or will not
*Night Spirit [HOST] | give permission to post
SideWinder(Berlin) | ehm make that 'morning
*Night Spirit [HOST] | hugs Katie/little sis
MoL's Katie J | hello Lady A :-)
~wrywry~ | huggggggs Katie.. how are you feeling?
MoL's Katie J | huggggs, NS
MoL's Katie J | better wry, thanks
~wrywry~ | I'm glad.. Ive been worried.
*Night Spirit [HOST] | sick sweety?
MoL's Katie J | a little, yes, NS
*Night Spirit [HOST] | oh poor little sis
daisy | Greetings G'pa...<hugg>
MoL's Katie J | nothing a shot of nitro wont fix up <s>
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Greetings daisy
*Night Spirit [HOST] | ok all get your last group grope because we are
| about to start--tonight's topic
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | How're ya
*Night Spirit [HOST] | is--Worship
Master of Leisure | she is feeling better now....NS....wink....
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | >curtseys< GPDS Sir =)
*Night Spirit [HOST] | hugs MoL
Master of Leisure | hugggs..NS
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Hello seduction
MoL's Katie J | huggggggs, Seddy ... like the decoration on your
| handle <s>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | tonight in the subject of worship we will discuss
| worshipping body parts and or
*Night Spirit [HOST] | worshipping the person
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Hi Katie, MOL
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | thanks Katie...
Master of Leisure | Shakes,,GPDS.....how have you been ?
SideWinder(Berlin) | <sits back with a notepad and listens carefully>
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | everyone is welcome to call me Seddy =)
Master of Leisure | i liked your pic,,too..Seddy,,,wink..
MoL's Katie J | good to see you, Grandpa
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Good, and you?
Owl | I'd like to hear from some guysubs - what puts you
| into the right headspace for
Owl | worshiping?
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Ok Seddy
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | >giggle< thankyou MoL
Master of Leisure | doing great...here..
*Night Spirit [HOST] | ok on worshipping anyone here ever worshipped or
| got into worshipping a body
*Night Spirit [HOST] | part?
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | not a body part.... no...
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Owl are you a dom?
MoL's Katie J | I guess you would need a definition of worship
MoL's Katie J | do you think?
*Night Spirit [HOST] | ok
*Night Spirit [HOST] | GrPa who is very evil
daisy | <nod> KJ
Owl | Switch, Katie. I want to have a sub do this to me.
*Night Spirit [HOST] | has me worship a certain body part
*Night Spirit [HOST] | I must praise it
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | ME??? <Looking very innocent>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | adore it
~wrywry~ | can you define the worship?
*Night Spirit [HOST] | kneel to it
*Night Spirit [HOST] | kiss it and tell him this vertain body part is the
| best in the world
*Night Spirit [HOST] | then tell him why I think it is
SideWinder(Berlin) | hmm ... <wonders what that part would be...> index
SideWinder(Berlin) | finger?
*Night Spirit [HOST] | SW a wee bit lower
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | heehee dont men make most women worship their...
| erm.. u know whats?
Owl | How does this make you feel, NS?
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Sometimes it might be SW
SideWinder(Berlin) | <grins and shutsup>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | I must stroke it and say nice things and beg to
| love it
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | awwww
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Owl to me as in all things we desire to reach a
| goal together, if he likes it
*Night Spirit [HOST] | who am I to say no
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | interested, GPDS.. what do you get out of that?
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Seddy, just like femdoms have parts for their subs
| to worship
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | i understand <s>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | now I know some love to worship feet/heels
*Night Spirit [HOST] | they may kiss it, adore it, touch it and clean it
Owl | Does the worship put you into sub headspace, or do
| you need to be there first
Owl | to worship properly?
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Seddy, the pleasure of having her submit to my
| whims.
*Night Spirit [HOST] | no sub space without pain--I am a masochist
*Night Spirit [HOST] | GrPa may make me worship let's say his left nipple
| and I do
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | She is doing something inherently silly, simply
| because I want her to.
*Night Spirit [HOST] | he adores the pleasure of my obeying his wishes
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | would you say that was a part of worship or
| humiliation?
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Both
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | <s> exactly GPDS
*Night Spirit [HOST] | no worship, because of what is said
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | i would say there is some humiliation there...
*Night Spirit [HOST] | I am not humilitated by much
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Well, that
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | is ture
SideWinder(Berlin) | would say that it really depends on the bit
| worshipped
SideWinder(Berlin) | wether it is humiliation or not ....
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | true even
*Night Spirit [HOST] | I kneel to this body part and tell it how wonderful
| it is---longest time was
*Night Spirit [HOST] | about 1/2 hour
Owl | I'm wondering - a light flogging during the worship
| - would that intensify, or
Owl | would it distract?
MoL's Katie J | I was thinking that, SideWinder
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | i know a Domme who makes their sub talk to their
| penis... reprimand it...
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | speaking to a body part ... i would say that is a
| kind of humiliation
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Owl to me, would intensify it
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Also depends on how the person doing the worshiping
| feels about it Seddy
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | true
johnny love | Hey sidewinder frankfurt a/m here!
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | I have done that to her Owl
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | i can imagine the results can be interesting GPDS
SideWinder(Berlin) | oh great johnny ... this is a co, if you want to
| talk, page
SideWinder(Berlin) | me
*Night Spirit [HOST] | There was a Dom on line years ago named Lord
| <something> and you would speak to
*Night Spirit [HOST] | him "Lord I kneel before thee and beg an audience
| with thee" I would say he
*Night Spirit [HOST] | liked to be worshipped
Owl | GPDS - do you allow her to touch the part?
daisy | <listening>
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Well, there is a problem. If I do it to heavy, it's
| hard for her to concentrate.
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Yes, Owl, reverently
Dmi's crickett | hhmm...wait aminute now..i am alittle lost as
| usual...<sorry> how can
Dmi's crickett | humilation and worship be considered the same thing?
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | wow NS...... imagine having to do that every time u
| wanted to speak to the
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | guy......... do you find worship a task ro an
| enjoyment?
johnny love | Are we worshiping a higher spirit here?
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | johnny this is a D/s conference about worship
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | NS had to go to the ladies room for a min.
Owl | <grin> sometimes a stiffer one, anyway.
Erek & kisa | Greetings to all
johnny love | ah so, had to know where we are going early am
| here!@
Master of Leisure | johnny,,,,i have a huge cane for you to
Master of Leisure | worship.....buddy,,,,page me
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | hello Erek, kisa
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Worship and humiliation are not the same thing, but
| they can overlap.
MoL's Katie J | hello, Erek and kisa
Dmi's crickett | in what way? overlap?
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | i'd agree with that GPDS...
Owl | GPDS - do you have NS do any postures? Kowtow, or
| anything like that?
Dmi's crickett | i mean worship to me is pleasure...something i do
| frely...humilation i abhore
Dmi's crickett | freely even
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | If I have you worship, very reverently, my little
| toe on the right foot.
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Wouldn't it also be humiliating?
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | well cricky... imaine your Master wanted you to
| worship his right knee... made
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | you love his right knee like it was nothing else u
| had ever seen before - like u
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | were honoured to be in its presence... would u find
| that humiliating?
Dmi's crickett | not if i was into feet...now...but since i am not i
| would not do it
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | How about the toenail on that toe?
Dmi's crickett | i wouldnt do it...it is that simple
Erek & kisa | cricket - you just stated exactly why I keep trying
| to explain
Erek & kisa | to people that the dynamic is *specific to the
| people, the
Erek & kisa | individual people involved and no one answer fits
| all <g>
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | you wouldnt?
Dmi's crickett | if i find it humilating..i wont do it
Owl | crickett - what if the alternative is punishment?
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Got it. It would be humiliating.
*Night Spirit [HOST] | why crickett, if Master asks, and it makes him
| happy why not worship his knee?
Dmi's crickett | i am not into humilation at all
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | That was the point
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | brb
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | keep my seat warm pet <s>
(V)'s Tom©at | <--------------- sneaking on my Mistresses lap
Dmi's crickett | no punishment...... that is why we talk about
| things before hand...the likes
Dmi's crickett | and dislikes
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Owl, not any predefined postures.
*Night Spirit [HOST] | to me it is not humiliation to me, I am making him
| happy by obeying--no matter
*Night Spirit [HOST] | how silly I feel
daisy | for me, part of this is stretching what i perceive
| as my own limits crickie
Master of Leisure | what do you consider to be humiliation,,crickie
Master of Leisure | ???
~wrywry~ | exactly dais..
*Night Spirit [HOST] | I understand crickett--in other words it is a limit
| :)
Dmi's crickett | something that i find totaling embarrassing
| Mol///and beyond what i feel
daisy | i may fear humilaition, but i allow Exile to
| stretch and exercise that fear
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Humiliation is a limit for some. Others enjoy it
Dmi's crickett | yes Night Spirit<s>
Lori | hi everyone
Owl | OK, how do you manipulate the humiliation/no
| humiliation factor? (My regular
Owl | sub likes humiliation, so I want to step that up.)
johnny love | Hi lori!
Master of Leisure | each person is different and each has their own
Master of Leisure | levels that they can take punishment or
Master of Leisure | humiliation...crickie....just depends on what you
Master of Leisure | think it is
(V)'s Tom©at | <-------------- waving a tired hello to everybody
*Night Spirit [HOST] | see to me, I don't mind being silly (I know you are
| all shocked) but I do it,
*Night Spirit [HOST] | because he wants me to, pure and simple as that
Dmi's crickett | i dont mind streaching my limits at all....what i
| do mind is being forced into
Dmi's crickett | humilation
johnny love | Hey there amanda!
Lori | hi johnny
daisy | i agree NS
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Owl the best way is like Lord <whatever> did, you
| will only address me in such
*Night Spirit [HOST] | a way--after a while it is a regualr thing hard to
| be humilitated
Erek & kisa | The transfer of power often is confused with
| "force", it isn't
Erek & kisa | always that.
Dmi's crickett | silly and cute is one thing.......but if i feel
| threatened...i clam up...shrink
Dmi's crickett | back...to much of my past gets in the way, i think
*Night Spirit [HOST] | ERek & kisa you are right
Master of Leisure | it doesnt have to be forced.....crickie......one can
Master of Leisure | fall into it without force and not feel h umiliated
Owl | OK, NS - so how do you keep the humiliation level
| up when it becomes standard?
Dmi's crickett | i understand the transfer of power...and of force
daisy | <nod> MoL
Master of Leisure | nods at Erek and kisa
*Night Spirit [HOST] | crickett I agree, I have been worshipping this
| certain body part for 3 yrs. on
*Night Spirit [HOST] | GrPa, it is normal now....
Dmi's crickett | and i trust the one i am with to understand
| me...and what i need or dont need
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Owl how else--change the course
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | I was planning to do this as a surprise to NS, but
| it applies here, so I'll let
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | the cat out of the bag. How about having her
| worship my toejam. She doesn't
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | have to touch it, just tell me how wonderful it is.
| Humiliating enough?
daisy | ewww<giggle>
*~tina~* | rofl....
Owl | <taking notes>
daisy | <smooch< tina
Erek & kisa | <kisa> Erek is one the strongest men I've ever met,
| yet he
Erek & kisa | is also the most patient and gentle. I think that
| may come
Erek & kisa | from his knowledge that he has the strength to not
| have to
Erek & kisa | use force, just be there.
SideWinder(Berlin) | ehm ... toejam?? <-- nonnatve speaker
Dmi's crickett | this is about worship? or humilation?
*~tina~* | <giggles and waves>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | in fact I kinda like telling GrandPa how wonderful
| is body part is, then
*Night Spirit [HOST] | telling him why I adore him and praise him--course
| his head gets big
MoL's Katie J | which one, NS?
Owl | Sidewinder - dirt between the toes.
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Sweat and dirt that collects between the toes is
| called toejam
*Night Spirit [HOST] | <ggl> ^5 little sis
SideWinder(Berlin) | ic
MoL's Katie J | <g>
Master of Leisure | so you do not feel it is h umiliation,,,NS....
Lori | i need someone the worship me
~wrywry~ | ::feeling a little sick::
Master of Leisure | whereas ,,,crickie would..it is a mental state
MoL's Katie J | It's all a matter of perception.
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Sorry wrywry
Erek & kisa | Hmmm, sounds silly, not necessarily humiliating <g>
~wrywry~ | ::ggl:: it's ok
Owl | Kind of like having him lick my boot. The sole,
| that is.
Dmi's crickett | not to be disrespectful , here.....but where is the
| worship part of this
Dmi's crickett | conference?
*Night Spirit [HOST] | no MOL he likes it, makes him happy if I worship
| him so I do, my sig line used
*Night Spirit [HOST] | to be "She who worships the shadow of GrandPa
| DeSade"
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | How about doing it in front of others?
Owl | Ever done that, GPDS?
daisy | <thinking that my kneeling before Him, eyes down,
| respectful answers when he
daisy | asks, shows him my worship in a quiet way>
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Yes
MoL's Katie J | crickett, one can worship without humilation.
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | Tom.... if i asked you to worship... say... me left
| elbow... speak to it... and
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | treasure it like it was something more spectacular
| than you had ever known....
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | how would you feel?
Dmi's crickett | i mean i dont have to say shit when i am
| worshipping...a body part...lets
Dmi's crickett | say.....i worship by action...not voice
*Night Spirit [HOST] | worshipping is praising adoring the dom, telling
| them they are perfect and loved
SideWinder(Berlin) | <-- sure would feel a little stupid, seddy
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | That's also true cricket
Dmi's crickett | i dont have to speak
Dmi's crickett | i show them
Dmi's crickett | and that is what they like, and i like too
Owl | That's valid, crickett. But if a dom wants to
| *demand* worship, it might take
Owl | more outward signs.
Lori | crickett i can help you
Dmi's crickett | so that is how it is done
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Worship can take many forms.
Dmis crickett | Lori, get a life? ok? sweetie....i am not your kind
MoL's Katie J | Lori, The Shopping Network takes place on Wed nites
| .. this is a discussion
MoL's Katie J | group
Erek & kisa | I wonder if we aren't confusing adoration of the
| person with
Erek & kisa | an ordered action to "worship"
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | How would you worship crickett?
*~tina~* | ditto Erek
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | i believe we are Erek & kisa
(V)'s Tom©at | Seddy (or better my Mistress <G>), i would look at
| you.............smile and then say it's not only
(V)'s Tom©at | one part of you that i like.............i like this
| whole woman
daisy | how so Erek?
*Night Spirit [HOST] | please keep the his off the CO, do it in private
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | lol Tom you creep lol
Owl | E & k - I think you're right. I am considering
| mostly the order.
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | They do overlap at some points
Dmi's crickett | how would i get worshiped?....i get worshiped by
| thier touch back....perhaps a
Dmi's crickett | simple stroke of my hair...or a certain look...or
| even a swat
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | <g> I like the sound of you worshipping my whole
| ... <s>
(V)'s Tom©at | Even tho there are some parts of this lovely body
| that i like especially................... but that
| is
(V)'s Tom©at | nothing fer here <G>
Dmi's crickett | i do what i do, for i like doing it...not because
| it was i transfer sort to
Dmi's crickett | speak...
Master of Leisure | no crickie,,,How would your Dom have YOU
Master of Leisure | worship him ?
Dmi's crickett | i look for nothing really in return
Erek & kisa | Well at the risk of sounding like a fight in
| progress: A sub
Erek & kisa | can and often does adore the Dom, but I find the
| idea of
Erek & kisa | worshipping a part of my body to be objectifing ME
| and that
Erek & kisa | seems stupid and anti-dynamic.
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | Lori - come worship my foot
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | >growlin<
Dmi's crickett | i adore him Mol.... that is what i want to do though
Dmi's crickett | he is calming to me
SideWinder(Berlin) | lol seddy
(V)'s Tom©at | <---------- worships her ...........ummmmmmmmmm
| nebbermind <weg>
MoL's Katie J | I have a question .... some Doms demand a
| recognition by all subs that to me
MoL's Katie J | borders on Worship .... how do you feel about that?
Master of Leisure | i understand ,,crickie,,,that is not my
| question......
~wrywry~ | no more for me..
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | Tom shhhh
Lori | seduction, come sit by me
~wrywry~ | see you all another time.
MoL's Katie J | <tossing it into the room>
's crickett | then what was Mol?
Master of Leisure | bye,,wry
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | >groaning<
Owl | Katie - that's a common cyber thing. Anyone doing
| it in meatlife would be
Owl | labeled a jerk.
*~tina~* | stupid ...katie <g>
Erek & kisa | Katie - if they aren't MY sub then why should I?
*Night Spirit [HOST] | dolphan and lori I will not ask again--take it to
| private
Erek & kisa | Bye wry
MoL's Katie J | Damn, I like how you people think <g>
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Katie, I don't feel other subs owe me anything
| special
Master of Leisure | your Dom tells you to worhships his belly
Master of Leisure | button........to talk to it....to lilck it.....how
| would you
Master of Leisure | react ?
(V)'s Tom©at | <-------------- moaning <wefg>
"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | Tom.. shhh trying to be serious
*Night Spirit [HOST] | I will not worship a Dom they must earn it, GrPa
| has more then once earned my
*Night Spirit [HOST] | respect
Owl | OK - another question - can you worship in cyber?
| Or is it a warm flesh&blood
Owl | thing only?
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | i agree with you on that
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | >shooing the kiddies off to another room to play<
Erek & kisa | ((YICK - the hot sens are out in force tonight -
| uninvited
Erek & kisa | ones))
Dmi's crickett | i dont think he would tell me to *do* that...but if
| i wanted to do it...and
Dmi's crickett | knew it made him happy i would...i suppose....to
| me...sex is more
Dmi's crickett | sensual....D/s is the concept...the sex is
| extra...if i am lucky <s>
(V)'s Tom©at | kiddies???????????<PERK>
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | lol NS
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | And i feel a submissive ows me nothing special
| unless I have earned it, and
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | they wish to give it or we have a relationship.
Rude Awakening | when masturbation is that considered SUB or DOM <g>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Owl yes I beleive you can--if it comes from the
| heart and is not machinical
Erek & kisa | NS - like respect, which again leads me to the
| conclusion
Erek & kisa | we're talking about dressing up one thing and
| calling it
Erek & kisa | another.
Dmi's crickett | that is true to GP
Erek & kisa | Too many Gor books being read maybe.
*Night Spirit [HOST] | RA this CO is about worship not masterbating--sorry
Dmi's crickett | yep E&k
*Night Spirit [HOST] | would love to do a CO on GOR but I know nothing
Owl | E & k -yes. And that's another thing which
| differentiates between cyber and
Owl | meat.
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | Lori - no i DONT want to play
MoL's Katie J | Erek, what would you consider worship?
Rude Awakening | ok then i worship Manchester United does that fit
| in
Master of Leisure | hands RA a hustler mag......the bathroom is on
Master of Leisure | the right...
Dmi's crickett | worship is willing.....
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Definatly NOT a GOR person, but that's just me
Owl | RA - go for it. You *did* ask their consent,
| didn't you?
Dmi's crickett | i mean think about it...for i minute
*~tina~* | not nessessarily crick<s>
*~tina~* | oops
*~tina~* | necessarily
Erek & kisa | Katie - that's only gonna be good for what I think
| is
Erek & kisa | worship, but OK, remember you asked <g> ---
MoL's Katie J | yes, Erek, I did.
*Night Spirit [HOST] | <--listening to Erek
*Night Spirit [HOST] | <--listening to crickett
Dmi's crickett | if you believe in God....you worship him, for you
| want to...as a all
Dmi's crickett | being...worship....and i am sorry if this is wrong
| in D/s...still means that to
Dmi's crickett | me...for i want to do it...not because i am *told*
| to do it
Erek & kisa | Yes I can feel worshipped, usually when a sub does
Erek & kisa | something very pleasurably physical for me, to me -
| like
Erek & kisa | something very pleasurably physical for me, to me -
| like
Erek & kisa | good oral sex.
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | ok crickett..... but then if your Master wanted you
| to try something new..
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | something like you had never done before .. would
| you do it?
Erek & kisa | Hmmm that was odd
Dmi's crickett | that it Erik <SSSS.
*Night Spirit [HOST] | ah crickett good point, but let me ask you why do
| you worship GOD fear of
*Night Spirit [HOST] | punishment?
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Any of these definitions have a lot of leeway,
| depending on the people involved
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | and the area of the country or world.
Dmi's crickett | i would try it yes
Master of Leisure | worship can abe mental to..Erek....doesnt just
Master of Leisure | have to be physical
Dmi's crickett | if i didnt like it i would hope he would care about
| me enough NOT to make me do
Dmi's crickett | it again
*Night Spirit [HOST] | good point Erek and MoL
Owl | It helps if you're pagan. Worship the god/dess in
| your master/mistress.
Erek & kisa | Wierd
Erek & kisa | MOL -Exactly - and it's how things are *percieved
| that
Owl | crickett - does he never ask you to do things you
| don't like, but that he does?
Master of Leisure | yes,,,,I agree..erek..and each of us perceive
Master of Leisure | things differently.......
*Night Spirit [HOST] | well I get a kick outta GrPa getting his kicks, if
| he asks I do because I love
*Night Spirit [HOST] | to see his evil little smile
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | crickett, wouldn't you get pleasure out of doing
| something that really pleased
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | him, even if it didn't do a thing for you otherwise?
Master of Leisure | chuckling
Dmi's crickett | NS....my fear days are over...i fear noone......
| any more....i went thru to
Dmi's crickett | much hell years ago..to ever fall into fearing
| again..i know where the door
Dmi's crickett | is...and now know it WONT hit me in the ass when i
| leave
Erek & kisa | counts, no?
Erek & kisa | Hmm I'm lagging
*~tina~* | to me crick...caring doesnt mean always getting
| things the way I like
*~tina~* | it.......sometimes doing things that I might not
| think are really
*~tina~* | *tasty*...lol.......allow me to expereince so much
| more......ya know what I
*~tina~* | mean?
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | well i think fear can play a part of D/s... an
| important part
*Night Spirit [HOST] | good for you crickett :) :) :)
Dmi's crickett | yes i know tina...and like i said i would try it...
MoL's Katie J | I can do things for the pure pleasure of my Dom ..
| regardless of what they
MoL's Katie J | might do for me .. do I consider that worship ..
| no, not really.
Dmi's crickett | it allows me to learn more about myself
*Night Spirit [HOST] | ok how many here out of their own freewill are
| willing to worship a body part
*Night Spirit [HOST] | of a dom/me?
Dmi's crickett | i am
*~tina~* | me
*Night Spirit [HOST] | how many hear want their body parts worshipped?
Erek & kisa | ...
Erek & kisa | I'd rather a sub honestly set a limit than for me
| to demand
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | But, Katie, if what pleased him was worship. . .
Owl | I would, if ordered to.
Erek & kisa | what would not be done well.
MoL's Katie J | then Grandpa, I would.
Dmi's crickett | <--------------------------agrees with Erek
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | i have not experienced it but willing to try <s>
Owl | I expect my sub to, if I order him to.
Dmi's crickett | for if i dont like it...i dont do it good at all or
| refuse
Dmi's crickett | i think many would want it done right....
*~tina~* | what constitues *done right*??
*Night Spirit [HOST] | ok we discussed body parts and barely touched on
| the person---how many would
*Night Spirit [HOST] | worship the Dom/me as a whole person, as their
| God/dess?
SideWinder(Berlin) | in a way ... yes ...
Dmi's crickett | crap tina...<chuckling> dont make me think...i am
| blonde ok?
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | but .... lets say .. if u didnt like anal sex.. but
| your Master did.... would you give
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | that gift to him or simply say - no im not doing it
| because i dont like it?
Owl | <smile> NS - that's what I do when I'm vanilla.
*~tina~* | <g> crick
*Night Spirit [HOST] | crickett who is to say what is right or wrong
| besides the folks in the
*Night Spirit [HOST] | relationship?
Dmi's crickett | <s>
charlie :-) | <rides in on a big wheel, eating grapes n grinin>
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | All my demands are always within limits, or right
| at the edge. If I slip, I
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | expect a submissive to let me know. I'm not
| perfect, and I don't want to
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | injure, physically or mentally
Erek & kisa | ..
Erek & kisa | <kisa> Technically I have no limits with Erek, yet
| I don't
Erek & kisa | ever worry about it, he sets his own and sticks to
| them.
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | (((((((((*.)))))))))
Erek & kisa | That gives me stablity and I crave that.
Dmi's crickett | that is what i am trying to say NS...it is part of
| the limits that were/ have
Dmi's crickett | been set
(V)'s Tom©at | NS............me definately......... it's not only
| a part of a body that is fascinating........ i mean
(V)'s Tom©at | there are people like me who are ugly as
| person......... but there are still people who like
| me as
(V)'s Tom©at | person and for what i am
charlie :-) | <tosses one into Katie J's cleavage and spins away
charlie :-) | laughing madly>
*~tina~* | if Spartan has me do something........for him or
| whatever.......it doesnt
*~tina~* | matter to himmhow well I do it...only that I
| trusted enough to do as he
*~tina~* | wanted.....to me that being *done right*
Erek & kisa | ..
Erek & kisa | tina - right is in the attempt, not the "successful"
Erek & kisa | completion.
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | i guess its that old phrase "its the thought that
| counts"
Owl | Yes, the effort and attempt is what's important.
Erek & kisa | ..
Erek & kisa | I only ask that a sub try, there is no failure
*~tina~* | agreed Erek
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | and Tom you are not ugly >swat<
Dmi's crickett | look let me put it this way, might be
| simplier....if it was something that
Dmi's crickett | totalal made you sick to your stomach, tina, would
| you still do it just to
Dmi's crickett | please him?
*Night Spirit [HOST] | ok tina, would you worship Spartan and if so--how?
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | NS actually has very few limits with me, but I have
| some things I will not do
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | to her for various reasons, even though she would
| probably go along with them.
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | (For instance, one causes flashbacks.)
(V)'s Tom©at | Well.........OK i have a cute butt
Lori | wrong sub fail all the time, they must keep trying
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | lol
Erek & kisa | ..
Erek & kisa | Lori - that's one attitude, not necessarily always
| correct.
Owl | Yes, they must keep trying. But I wouldn't punish
| if they don't succeed the
Owl | first (or 2nd or 3rd) time.
Erek & kisa | ..
*~tina~* | yes........I would let him know my concerns
| crick.....and he would take that
*~tina~* | into consideration as I know he would....and he
| still chose to think what he
*~tina~* | asked of me was the best in that circumstance
| ......my answer is yes........
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | mine would also be yes
*Night Spirit [HOST] | crickett a Dom/me who forces a sub to do anything
| to cause such injury (unless
*Night Spirit [HOST] | agreed upon) is wrong
Dmi's crickett | i see...then you have been very lucky <s> for i
| think Spartan seems to always
Dmi's crickett | know the difference between right and wrong
MoL's Katie J | all I can do is my best .. and I will always do my
| best for MoL <s>
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | NS gags when deepthroting me, does that stop me
| from doing it? No.
*~tina~* | NS......I would not worship him as a god per
| say....but I would worship him as
*~tina~* | my Master..........in what ways....Im not sure of
| the specifics........not
*~tina~* | something that he has required me to do
| yet.....worship as a preson,......<s>
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | But I know she won't be hurt
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | And she enjoys pleasing me
Dmi's crickett | hell i gag to but i dont stop..
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | i dont see anything "wrong" in "sacrificing"
| something for a Dom/me
*~tina~* | <smile> crick
Master of Leisure | no Dom should force a sub to cause an
Master of Leisure | injury,,,,,,
Dmi's crickett | for i know he will stop too
*Night Spirit [HOST] | seddy tell us more
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Gaging is a short step away from getting sick to
| your stomach
Dmi's crickett | lol GP
(V)'s Tom©at | Sacrificing...........hmmmmmmmmm that is OK with
| me........but there are still some borders
(V)'s Tom©at | that i wouldn't cross
Dmi's crickett | depends <eg>
Owl | True, MoL, but if they don't keep making an
| attempt, they won't get any better
Owl | at it.
Dmi's crickett | gaging just means your thoart isnt open far enough
| <s>
*~tina~* | lol
Dmi's crickett | oopss typos
Dmi's crickett | got excited ther
Dmi's crickett | sorry
Erek & kisa | .
Erek & kisa | Owl - or the Dom is going at something the wrong
| way to
Erek & kisa | get the response wanted.
Erek & kisa | .
Dmi's crickett | there even
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | ie... when i first started in D/s.... there was
| something that REALLY put me off.... i
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | was willing to do anything for my Master... but
| that thing turned my stomach... but
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | i made a mental "sacrifice" for my Dom... to do it
| because it pleased him.. for
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | ultimately that was why i was his sub.. to please
| him
Master of Leisure | you can stretch limits...owl...but to cause an
Master of Leisure | injury to your sub,,,,,,to me,,shows lack of
Master of Leisure | respect........unless they both agreed to it....even
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | And sometimes we must recognize that item is
| something they will never get
Master of Leisure | then,,,,as the Dom,,I would set my limits and not
Master of Leisure | do iot
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | better at for reasons they may not even see.
Dmi's crickett | ya'll slow down...i cant read all that
slave m | Hello everybody
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | (((((((((slave))))))))) hello darlin
MoL's Katie J | Hello, slave m .. the topic tonight is Worship :)
slave m | Hi Seddy
*Night Spirit [HOST] | seddy did you ever get over that stomach churning
| feeling?
Dmi's crickett | ember...i please....because it please me to
| please...no other reason
slave m | Thanks Katie
(V)'s Tom©at | Seddy...........well that is life..............to
| sacrifice something for somebody............
*~tina~* | <---gags to damn easily as well...
*~tina~* | lol
Owl | I'm thinking of the first time I domme'd
| chlorophyll. There were a lot of
Owl | things I had to go easy on. Now he's a lot more
| able to do them.
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | yes i did NS.... i found pleasure in it
Erek & kisa | .
Erek & kisa | gagging=> more practice <g>
Dmi's crickett | i will have to teach you how to do that better tina
| <giggling>
*~tina~* | lol...please!!!
*~tina~* | <---keeps trying though......persistant
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | so u do not please your Master bcause it makes him
| happy.. but that it makes
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | you happy crick?
White Zombie | Hello gang
Master of Leisure | it is a gradual learning process..Owl...with your
Master of Leisure | sub
Dmi's crickett | nooooo problem...its a tilt of the head <smirks>
Master of Leisure | practice,,,,,makes perfect
Owl | Back to worship - there is no injury involved, so
| why not make the sub do it
Owl | often, so he gets better at it?
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | All the male doms will be glad to line up to help
| you tina. We want you to get
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | it right.
slave m | Better at what if I may ask
Dmi's crickett | in a way ember.....yes....but i get pleasure also
| out of pleasing him too <s>
Master of Leisure | chucklin
*~tina~* | such helpers you all are <wink>...
Jaswinder Singh | hi there
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | so if u knew something you didnt like to do - would
| please him - wouldt you do
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | that for him?
Dmi's crickett | not gagging....slave<m>/////<chuckling>
Erek & kisa | .
Lady Rapunzel | tina... just don't forget to breathe, hon, and
| you'll get the hang of it in no time <smile>
Erek & kisa | Considerate people we Doms <g>
(V)'s Tom©at | Seddy.............. depends on what it is
*Night Spirit [HOST] | MoL how would you feel if a sub got on their knees
| to you and told you how
*Night Spirit [HOST] | wonderful you are, and worshipped you
slave m | Ah then why was it "so HE would get better at it"?
White Zombie | Hmmmm breath-holding?
Dmi's crickett | that all depends ember...on what it was...if he
| wanted me to have sex with a
Dmi's crickett | dog....hell know...... i wouldnt do it
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | IMHO it is but a small sacrifice to make - as long
| as it is safe and not life
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | threatening
MoL's Katie J | one can always change the pronoun to suit the
| situation, slave m
Owl | slave m - because mine *is* a he.
Dmi's crickett | hell no...shit i cant type worth a damn
*~tina~* | what gives me that ultimate feeling....total
| submission and gratification...is
*~tina~* | when I do something that he has asked of me.....and
| I see that look in his eyes
*~tina~* | .......of pure happinesss....and hes so proud of
| me......nothing feels so
*~tina~* | content for me.....well..maybe a few other things
| <g>
slave m | Yes Maams
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | »»`*"*¤*"*´««(¯`'·.¸°«´¯`·.¸>×Lady
| R×<¸.·´¯`»°¸.·'´¯)»»`*"*¤*"*´««
Lady Rapunzel | <quiet smile>
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | That's limits again crickett. How about something
| within your limits?
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | lol tina!
Master of Leisure | only one sub would do dthat to me..NS.....as to
Master of Leisure | how I feel,,,,,,,I would feel honored and respect
Master of Leisure | her worship of me.....it would bring me
Master of Leisure | pleasure..NS
Owl | brb
MoL's Katie J | <watching tina do her Spartan imitation>
*~tina~* | kisses Ldy R <s>
*~tina~* | lol..swats katie <s>
Lady Rapunzel | <waving from a distance>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | hiya Lady R and welcome
Dmi's crickett | that is just it GP...i have never been pushed to
| them...
*Night Spirit [HOST] | ok MoL why would it do that?
hybrid | hi
hybrid | wheres purple
Dmi's crickett | so i cant really say, for all my Masters have
| respected the limits that i have
Dmi's crickett | set, and never tried to push pass them
~Marianne~ | <watching from a distance...>
Erek & kisa | .
*~tina~* | so ultimately crick...you retain control....
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | MOL, what if a sub you didn't know started
| worshiping you at some party?
Erek & kisa | AFK
Dmi's crickett | hhmm.. <sighs> i suppose so , tina
*~tina~* | <s> crick....
Master of Leisure | because the sub is submitting to my
Master of Leisure | request....she is giving of herself to me......cause
Master of Leisure | she wants to......totally and of her free will to
Master of Leisure | please me.......whether it pleases her or not
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Pushing gently on those limits is how we find new
| things we might enjoy crickett
Master of Leisure | she would not....GPDS....i would stop her
Master of Leisure | and it has happened
(V)'s Tom©at | <------------- waving a sweet byebye to my Mistress
| and a simple bye bye to everybody else
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | >kiss pet< goodnight
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | I have had it to MOL. I just wanted someone else to
| say it.
(V)'s Tom©at | (*(*(*(*(*(*(*Seddy*)*)*)*)*)*)*)
| <kissssssssssssssssssssssssss>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | MoL so a sub (who is a stranger worshiping you--is
| not a turn on) a sub you
*Night Spirit [HOST] | know is---would you order a sub to worship you?
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | bye now Tom xxxx
Dmi's crickett | i understand that GP...just noone has ever really
| wanted to push me past
Dmi's crickett | them...i think of so many things that keep them
| totaly happy within my
Dmi's crickett | limits......that they never push it further
Erek & kisa | .
Erek & kisa | bak
*Night Spirit [HOST] | and a lovely bak <back> it is Erek and kisa
Erek & kisa | .
Erek & kisa | <scrolling>
Erek & kisa | .
Dmi's crickett | ooppss goning to pully a E&k......... brb
Erek & kisa | LOL
Master of Leisure | In my world,,,GPDS,,,i take only one sub,,,,i dont
Master of Leisure | feel I can share all of myself with more than
Master of Leisure | one......i want her to submit to me totally and of
Master of Leisure | her free will..that is what I ask..........and that
| is
Master of Leisure | understood....if I want her to worship me as a
Master of Leisure | whole or some part of my body,,,,I expect her to
Master of Leisure | do that......I also know my limits and hers....that
Master of Leisure | is a mutual discussion between us so that we
Master of Leisure | know what we want and need and can stay
Master of Leisure | within,,,,,shit,,im starting to type like Spartan
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Erek would you like a sub to worship you? if so
| why, if not why?
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | lol MoL
*~tina~* | hey.....quit makin fun of my Daddy<pouty lip>
Lady Rapunzel | <- loves the way Spartan types
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | awwww tina
Master of Leisure | <snortles> at tina,,,,<BG>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | lol MoL
Lady Rapunzel | (Amongst other ways he has <g>)
*~tina~* | <sniff sniff>
Erek & kisa | .
Erek & kisa | All the time worship, NO. Occasionally, yes.
*~tina~* | <wink> Lady R
*Night Spirit [HOST] | and tina ya know we all love spartan even if when
| he is on we all have to have
*Night Spirit [HOST] | full screens up
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | lol
Lord Excalibur | Spartans typing is fine as long as you record <s>
| good evening all
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Erek what do you get out of it?
*~tina~* | I know I know........<s>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | good evening Lord E :)
Lord Excalibur | sorry I am late everyone
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | So, what would you do Katie, if MOL asked to to
| worship a single hair on his
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | arm? Would you? And how would you?
Master of Leisure | evening,,Lord E
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Hi there LE
Erek & kisa | .
Erek & kisa | Again if adoration becomes for a brief time
| something that I
Erek & kisa | percieve as worship then fine, otherwise, hmmm,
| I'm not a
Erek & kisa | God, just a Dom <s>.
`*"*¤§êdú¢t¡øñ¤*"*´ | bbs all
MoL's Katie J | I would do most anything to please him .. and if
| that was what it took, then I
MoL's Katie J | would do my best to make that hair the focus of my
| attentions.
Erek & kisa | .
Erek & kisa | I'd rather be a person enjoying my sub than an
| object of
Erek & kisa | worship - is that clear?
Master of Leisure | it wouldnt be a hair,,,GPDS.......<w>
~Marianne~ | worship is a lifestyle..an attitude.. a way of
| acting towards someone.
*Night Spirit [HOST] | good point Marianne
*Night Spirit [HOST] | and yes Erek it is :)
Erek & kisa | .
Erek & kisa | Marianne - and in the fact that it's strictly an
| attitude, for
Erek & kisa | me it seems too contrived.
Master of Leisure | understood ..Erek....and I thoroughly enjoy my
Master of Leisure | sub.....as you do kisa
~Marianne~ | contrived how?.
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | When I have NS worship me I don't feel like a God,
| even though she would
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | probably let me do anything to her. She considers
| herself to be my property. So
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | I can't be a God to her, just the owner.
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | I picked a hair because of the silliness of it MOL.
Erek & kisa | .
Erek & kisa | M - a continual role "play" rather than an actual
| living
Erek & kisa | emotion.
Master of Leisure | yep..i know..GPDS.....
~Marianne~ | i think there is true emotion in being submissive
| and allowing someone to own
~Marianne~ | you and take you over
Erek & kisa | .
Erek & kisa | M - nut that doesn't necessarily mean worship - more
Erek & kisa | adoration
*Night Spirit [HOST] | ok folks last thoughts we are about to wind this up
| :)
~Marianne~ | but worship requites the living emotion .. surely
~Marianne~ | requires i mean
Master of Leisure | the worship of a sub,,,,is just one form of
Master of Leisure | adoration and submission by the sub to the
Master of Leisure | Dom..........or role reversal if requested
| .........it is
Master of Leisure | just part of the total attitude of D/s
Erek & kisa | .
Erek & kisa | M - Nope, just "faith" without seeing, conviction
| without
Erek & kisa | proof, etc.
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | I think so maryann. You must have some feeling for
| the whole that you are being
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | asked to worship part of.
Erek & kisa | .
Erek & kisa | I want my subs faith in me to be proven.
~Marianne~ | you have faith and conviction in your dom
Erek & kisa | .
Erek & kisa | By my actions as well as hers.
~Marianne~ | that he will act in your best interests and trust
~Marianne~ | trust and faith is fundamental to worship
Erek & kisa | .
Erek & kisa | .
Erek & kisa | .
Erek & kisa | <==== Horrible lag
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Agree Marianne
~Marianne~ | <s>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | ok folks once again thank you all for comming, you
| all make this special
*Night Spirit [HOST] | remember next week we move to Keychat
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | How about at the start of a relationship E&K?
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Sunday July 26th
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Favorite bondage movie or book (minor and
| mainstream)
*Night Spirit [HOST] | --Get out all your bondage books and videos and
| lets play critic
MoL's Katie J | sounds good, NS
Erek & kisa | .
Erek & kisa | Thanks again - sorry to have missed a few, will
Erek & kisa | unfortunately miss more as we have a regular Sunday
Lord Excalibur | does that mean I get the wages they get NS <s>
*~tina~* | thanks NS and GrPa <s>
Master of Leisure | Videos..i like videos....<eg>
Erek & kisa | outting most weeks.
Dmi's crickett | crap...i missed everthing..<whinning>
MoL's Katie J | we're always glad to have you attend, E&k <s>
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Thanks everyone. It wouldn't be anything without
| you.
Dmi's crickett | but i was out of cigs, and had to run to the store
Lord Excalibur | sorry I was late, I will read what I missed in your
| site NS
Electricblueyes>M | I missed everything too--Crick! LOL
Erek & kisa | .
Erek & kisa | GPDS - you mean the leap of faith to commit??
Master of Leisure | thanks,,GPDS...NS...and katie......good
Master of Leisure | conference
~Marianne~ | beginnning of the relationship is most important
~Marianne~ | laying the foundations
Dmi's crickett | you would like videos....Mol......<laffen>
*Night Spirit [HOST] | also folks if you want our own BDSM forum please
| send me a letter via email and
*Night Spirit [HOST] | I will forward it send to 102404,2505
Marlêne | will someone define
Master of Leisure | hehehe..
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | You said you needed the subs faith to be proved E&K
Marlêne | what D/s means?
*Night Spirit [HOST] | more push for it more likely we get one
Electricblueyes>M | at least u have an excuse Crick--I just can't tell
Electricblueyes>M | time ,s> oh well...............
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Domanience and submission
Dmi's crickett | no i was here just ran out
Marlêne | Oh... NS. Big D & Little s huh?
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | That's the way it's usually used marlene
Erek & kisa | .
Erek & kisa | GPDS - That comes from the assumption the the sub
| has
Erek & kisa | faith in the Dom or wouldn't be with them ,so the
| Proof
Erek & kisa | comes from the Dom and then back from the sub.
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Marlene even
Marlêne | I've not watched this event before.
~Marianne~ | It's all about communciation and honesty
Master of Leisure | will send you the video..marlene
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Good start E&K
*Night Spirit [HOST] | trust and communication above all else
~Marianne~ | set that at the beginning.. and it will be a strong
| foundation for testing the
~Marianne~ | limits later
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Agree Marianne
Marlêne | um er uh do I want a video?
Dmi's crickett | he lieks videos Marlene....careful <lol>
Dmi's crickett | likes even
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Don't know Marlene, Do you?
Master of Leisure | you will love the video...just send $29.95 to me
Master of Leisure | and i will send you a copy
MoL's Katie J | <liked the video
Dmi's crickett | lol ...Mol....be nice...she seems sincere
*Night Spirit [HOST] | what video?
Marlêne | In no position to judge just now, GPDS
Erek & kisa | .
Erek & kisa | Actions are important, intentions are proved and
| re-proved
Erek & kisa | (hmmmm that isn't good English)
Dmi's crickett | that aint godd....<giggling>
Dmi's crickett | damn...i quit
Dmi's crickett | good
*Night Spirit [HOST] | also last thing please anyone with anything they
| wish to post about our
*Night Spirit [HOST] | lifestyle to keychat [ALT]ternative please do, the
| more we prove we want our
*Night Spirit [HOST] | own forum better chance we have
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Got an old copy of Debbie Duz Dishes you are tyring
| to get rid of, huh MOL?
Electricblueyes>M | Hi GPDS and NS--sorry it has been so long--good
Electricblueyes>M | to see you even though I missed the whole show
Electricblueyes>M | :-(
Marlêne | yeh emotions governing typing.... lol
Erek & kisa | .
Erek & kisa | I hate CIS4 btw - will be back whenever in DOScim
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | I'm kidding Marlene
Dmi's crickett | lol
MoL's Katie J | Erek, just takes a while to get used to it ...
Marlêne | figgered
Dmi's crickett | see i like her already...she is picking on my
| typing!
MoL's Katie J | I'm trying to get used to a terminal program, so I
| can relate
Lord Excalibur | DOScim, damn we can't have that back I threw my
| hammer and chisel out
Marlêne | awww crickett
Dmi's crickett | <s>
Erek & kisa | .
Erek & kisa | Katie - it lags me
MoL's Katie J | what processor?
MoL's Katie J | what modem speed?
Marlêne | cruising ,,,, looking for a long lost friend.
| bye all
Erek & kisa | .
Erek & kisa | All these pirods (.) you see are to force my typing
| onto the
Erek & kisa | screen!
Erek & kisa | .
MoL's Katie J | could be a lot of things <s>
Master of Leisure | laffin...nahhh..its a new one,,GPDS...has shots
Master of Leisure | from a bunch of those movies,,you
Master of Leisure | know..specialty stuff,,,,grinnin
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | True MOL, but we also need a program that doesn't
| destroy many of the systems
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | it's installed on
Dmi's crickett | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~waving bye....going home
| <SSSS>
Erek & kisa | .
Erek & kisa | CIS4 corrupted all the dun files - had to reload
| them.
MoL's Katie J | 2.6 is a good compromise, Erek .. most of the bugs
| have been worked out .. and
MoL's Katie J | it's downloadable from the web.
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | I thought they were to make your comments stand out
| E&K
MoL's Katie J | or they will mail you diskettes
Erek & kisa | .
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Night crickett and thanks you
Erek & kisa | GPDS - Like I need to do that??? <LOL>
Master of Leisure | chucklin
Master of Leisure | nite all.......we are going back to 10
MoL's Katie J | hugs goodnight .. see you same time next week ...
| in our new home.
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Hehe, gotta give someone a hard time
Master of Leisure | thanks again,,,NS....GPDS......take care
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Ok, I'll say good night too.
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Night all
Erek & kisa | .
Erek & kisa | I wonder if this cranky version will take me over
| to 10
Erek & kisa | .
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Night Mol & Katie
*Night Spirit [HOST] | good night all and once again thank you :)
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Remember, Keychat next week.
Erek & kisa | .
Erek & kisa | Also any chance this could be delayed an hour - to
| after
Erek & kisa | 6pm Pacific???
Erek & kisa | .
Erek & kisa | We are busy until 6 most Sundays now.
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Erek we are hoping others will like to run
| discussions :)
Lord Excalibur | aaarrgggghhhh Erek, its 1:00 am here
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | The times are a problem
Lord Excalibur | give me some time to sleep
Erek & kisa | .
Erek & kisa | SOrry Lord E
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | It's 8 on the east coast, and 2 AM in England
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Ok, sorry, 1 AM
Erek & kisa | .
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Erek ever thought of hosting a weekly discussion?
Erek & kisa | Ah well we will miss many of these then
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | We have been talking about having LE do a european
| version.
Erek & kisa | .
Erek & kisa | I am doing so, but over in PCEN
Erek & kisa | .
Erek & kisa | We did weekly CO's there for a while
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Erek, you could do one in Keychat too.
*Night Spirit [HOST] | if we get our own forum--interested?
Erek & kisa | .
Erek & kisa | Could be tho only could commit to a sometime thang,
| not
Erek & kisa | necessarily a regular, nor in any additional charge
| area
*Night Spirit [HOST] | in that case I shall keep you informed :)
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | Sorry, I don't remember. Are you in the US E&K?
Erek & kisa | .
Erek & kisa | Thank You <s>
Erek & kisa | .
Erek & kisa | Yes - Seattle
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Night!--yes hon he is in seattle aren't you?
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | We would want a no additional charge area.
Lord Excalibur | sorry friends, I must away, I will talk to you all
| soon
GrandPaDeSade[Host] | OK Good night
*Night Spirit [HOST] | Night all gotta run, children problems :)
Erek & kisa | .
Erek & kisa | Take care Lord E
********** 7/19/98 6:25 PM End logging Sub Pub - D/s.